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Reply #10 - 01/06/09 at 14:11:07
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I hope there is also room for Black's Dangerous Weapons....

I opt for:

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 0-0!?

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.Nf3 0-0!? 5.e4 and now various "shots" like ...c5, ...c6 (I think Glek likes them)


And it would be nice to have a look at Bronsteins (was it him?) queensac line in the Sämisch (Nh5, f5, Qh4)
  
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Reply #9 - 01/06/09 at 12:32:48
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I looked up John Watson's review of Offbeat King's Indian (because someone had mentioned it in another KI thread) and he mentions this:

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1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 0-0 5.0-0 d6 6.Nc3 (the Martinowsky System, difficult for Black to meet




  
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Re: Ideas/Predictions for Dangerous Weapons: KID
Reply #8 - 01/05/09 at 13:08:05
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TopNotch wrote on 01/05/09 at 04:05:44:
HgMan wrote on 01/04/09 at 22:36:53:

Well, in fairness, the whole series might be called Surprise Weapons, and I'm no marketing wiz, but that doesn't sound quite so sharp.  I have a few of the books and I think each chapter strives to divert from the mainstream mainlines before move 10, so I doubt you'll get what you're looking for.  You will, however, get a few surprises that might be worth the odd outing from time to time.  They're geared to quick study and rapid application.

Here's the criteria for what constitutes a Dangerous Weapon:

1) Moves that create complex, original positions full of razor sharp tactics and rich positional ideas where creative attacking play is rewarding moves which are new, rare or very fresh, leaving plenty
of scope for research.

2) Moves that are highly ambitious; ones which aim for total domination.

3) Moves that have previously been discarded or discredited by theory perhaps unfairly so or maybe for the wrong reasons.

4) Moves that are visually shocking; moves which seem to contradict the laws of the game.


Based on the above criteria much better tries could be:

1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.e4 0-0 6.Be2 e5 7.d5 a5 8.h4  Shocked

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Be2 0-0 6.g4  Shocked

1.c4 g6 2.Nc3 Bg7 3.e4 d6 4.d4 Nf6 5.Be2 0-0 6.h4  Shocked

Lots of fun for both sides at the very least. 

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Yes: I was half thinking of lots of early g- and h- pawn stabs by White...
  

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Reply #7 - 01/05/09 at 09:48:52
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i was playing speed chess against an expert, and he played averbahk/four pawns attack, if there is such name (thats what i call it); followed by e5.  real annoying.
  
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Reply #6 - 01/05/09 at 04:05:44
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HgMan wrote on 01/04/09 at 22:36:53:

Well, in fairness, the whole series might be called Surprise Weapons, and I'm no marketing wiz, but that doesn't sound quite so sharp.  I have a few of the books and I think each chapter strives to divert from the mainstream mainlines before move 10, so I doubt you'll get what you're looking for.  You will, however, get a few surprises that might be worth the odd outing from time to time.  They're geared to quick study and rapid application.

Here's the criteria for what constitutes a Dangerous Weapon:

1) Moves that create complex, original positions full of razor sharp tactics and rich positional ideas where creative attacking play is rewarding moves which are new, rare or very fresh, leaving plenty
of scope for research.

2) Moves that are highly ambitious; ones which aim for total domination.

3) Moves that have previously been discarded or discredited by theory perhaps unfairly so or maybe for the wrong reasons.

4) Moves that are visually shocking; moves which seem to contradict the laws of the game.


Based on the above criteria much better tries could be:

1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.e4 0-0 6.Be2 e5 7.d5 a5 8.h4  Shocked

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Be2 0-0 6.g4  Shocked

1.c4 g6 2.Nc3 Bg7 3.e4 d6 4.d4 Nf6 5.Be2 0-0 6.h4  Shocked

Lots of fun for both sides at the very least. 

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Reply #5 - 01/04/09 at 22:43:15
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I seriously considered the Reti KID line for the Dangerous Weapons - Flank book ... but the problem is that it is not really dangerous! Also it is very difficult to define any mainlines as both sides have such a large choice of plans and move orders.
My two chapters on the Mikenas stick strictly to the mainline well beyond move 10! Wink
  
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Reply #4 - 01/04/09 at 22:39:51
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I should add, however, that I really like this series.  I have made good use of a few chapters in correspondence chess, and drew on a couple of the books in preparation for my first otb tournament in a decade.  Without the time, energy, or inclination to get caught up on a bunch of openings in order to be ready for all possibilities, these recommendations to a great job of cutting some corners and getting you a playable middlegame.  With all these kids knowing reams of theory (one claimed before our encounter that he had gone looking for my games online in order to prepare), all I want is a decent position 15-20 moves in.  If I get that, I know I can win.  If I can get these kids out of book early, so much the better...
  

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Reply #3 - 01/04/09 at 22:36:53
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TopNotch wrote on 01/04/09 at 21:20:22:
Neither of these are particularly Dangerous Weapons, and would be better suited to a book entitled Surprise Weapons: The KID.

It will be interesting to see what is offered when the book is finally released, Particularly as the real Dangerous Weapons against the KID are to be found in the well worn main systems, namely: The Four Pawns Attack; Classical; Samisch and last but not least the Fianchetto Lines; these are the Dangerous Systems that concern KID players most. 


Well, in fairness, the whole series might be called Surprise Weapons, and I'm no marketing wiz, but that doesn't sound quite so sharp.  I have a few of the books and I think each chapter strives to divert from the mainstream mainlines before move 10, so I doubt you'll get what you're looking for.  You will, however, get a few surprises that might be worth the odd outing from time to time.  They're geared to quick study and rapid application.

Here's the criteria for what constitutes a Dangerous Weapon:

1) Moves that create complex, original positions full of razor sharp tactics and rich positional ideas where creative attacking play is rewarding moves which are new, rare or very fresh, leaving plenty
of scope for research.

2) Moves that are highly ambitious; ones which aim for total domination.

3) Moves that have previously been discarded or discredited by theory perhaps unfairly so or maybe for the wrong reasons.

4) Moves that are visually shocking; moves which seem to contradict the laws of the game.

In lieu of that, I suspect the Reti KID (which as you note didn't beat Capa in itself) is a surer bet than cutting edge theory in the mainlines, although the more I think about the Reti KID: 

1) There's probably too much to cover in a single chapter for it to be fully useful in this format.

2) It's unlikely that the authors would examine a variation that diverges so considerably from the standard KID move order (for White, anyway).

Best bet: a few unorthodox ideas around moves 5-8 in the Saemisch, Four Pawns, etc...
  

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Reply #2 - 01/04/09 at 21:20:22
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Unownasofyet wrote on 01/03/09 at 19:07:16:
The book is going to be released in April/May, and I have been waiting for this book for a while. I would think that it would be a great weapon for 1.c4 players like me who hate playing against the KID with all their heart. Here are my predictions as possible things for White:

1.c4, Nf6 2.Nf3, g6 3.b4!? Reti beat Capablanca with it.

5.Nge2 in main line.

Both are fun to play, offbeat, and overall sound enough. What are your predictions for this book?


Neither of these are particularly Dangerous Weapons, and would be better suited to a book entitled Surprise Weapons: The KID.

Reti got nothing out of the opening in the quoted game with Capa and only won after his famous opponent made an oversight in the middlegame.

I don't rate 5.Nge2 very highly either, as both 5...c5!? and 5...0-0 6.Ng3 c5 seem quite comfortable and easy to play for Black.

It will be interesting to see what is offered when the book is finally released, Particularly as the real Dangerous Weapons against the KID are to be found in the well worn main systems, namely: The Four Pawns Attack; Classical; Samisch and last but not least the Fianchetto Lines; these are the Dangerous Systems that concern KID players most.   

It just occurred to me that this series is written for both colors, so from that perspective it should be doubly interesting.  Wink

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Reply #1 - 01/04/09 at 19:01:34
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I was rather hoping that this line might make it into the Reti/Flank Openings book, but I guess it could find a place in the KID book.   

I think White gets a very good game against the standard KID, but play against 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.b4 Bg7 4.Bb2 O-O 5.g3 c6 6.Bg2 d5 is a bit trickier...
  

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01/03/09 at 19:07:16
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The book is going to be released in April/May, and I have been waiting for this book for a while. I would think that it would be a great weapon for 1.c4 players like me who hate playing against the KID with all their heart. Here are my predictions as possible things for White:

1.c4, Nf6 2.Nf3, g6 3.b4!? Reti beat Capablanca with it.

5.Nge2 in main line.

Both are fun to play, offbeat, and overall sound enough. What are your predictions for this book?
  
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