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Re: An old italian gambit in Corus
Reply #13 - 02/06/09 at 22:36:55
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What about 4. ... d6 5.c3 Bb6!?
In the comments I didn't see this move mentioned, but I had it in two internet blitz games today.
Black keeps his options open, on 6.d4 he replies with Bg4 and Qf6. 6.b4 doesn't really make sense now.
Perhaps white now has to play in pianissimo-style with 6.d3, arguing that Bb6 is a loss of tempo?! But I can't imagine white will get more than a minimal edge out of that.
  
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Re: An old italian gambit in Corus
Reply #12 - 01/25/09 at 09:54:48
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4..d6 was played by Kazimjanov v Short yesterday. Nigel won a great game so should black either play the main line or go into the max lange
  
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Re: An old italian gambit in Corus
Reply #11 - 01/24/09 at 15:11:40
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Quite right- playing c3 and d4 shortly after 4...d6 transposes to a poor line of the Scotch Gambit for White: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.0-0 (5.c3 is better) 5...d6 6.c3 Bg4.  See http://correspondencechess.com/campbell/hard/h990927.htm for a thorough analysis.  All sources agree that Black is doing well here.

At this link Stefan Bucker suggests that 5.c3 Bg4 6.b4!? is the way to go, suggesting that after 6...Bb6 7.a4 a6 8.h3 (improving on the 8.d3 given in the above link) White has chances of an edge:
http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kaiss14.pdf

Evans played 4.0-0 Nf6 5.b4 which doesn't quite give enough compensation, hence the modern preference for 4.b4 which most likely does.  I'm not sure if 4.0-0 d6 5.b4 is any better.

An alternative is Jude Acers's preferred order 4.d4!? which may give White sufficient compensation after 4...Bxd4 5.Nxd4 (5.0-0 may well be a good way to transpose to the 4.0-0 Nf6 5.d4 gambit) 5...Bxd4 and now 6.0-0 or 6.Be3 rather than Fahrni's faulty 6.f4?!.  However, while this avoids 4.0-0 d6 it is a poor way to try to reach the Max Lange, because 4...exd4 transposes to the Scotch Gambit line mentioned above.
  
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Re: An old italian gambit in Corus
Reply #10 - 01/22/09 at 09:58:51
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4.0-0 d6 5.c3 Bg4 6.d4?! exd4 has been known good for Black since 1½ century or so. Bücker advocates a quieter approach - I can't remember now if it's with 6.d3 or 6.b4.
  

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Re: An old italian gambit in Corus
Reply #9 - 01/22/09 at 04:13:34
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After 4...d6 I think 5.c3 followed by d4 would be the most principled continuation.
  
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Re: An old italian gambit in Corus
Reply #8 - 01/21/09 at 08:21:43
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ANDREW BRETT wrote on 01/21/09 at 08:09:34:
I would suggest that 4...d6 5 b4 is worth looking at - looks a pretty reasonable evans gambit to me.

Iirc that is how Evans himself played it.
  

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Re: An old italian gambit in Corus
Reply #7 - 01/21/09 at 08:09:34
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I would suggest that 4...d6 5 b4 is worth looking at - looks a pretty reasonable evans gambit to me.
  
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Re: An old italian gambit in Corus
Reply #6 - 01/21/09 at 06:11:38
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Thx you all for the reactions.
Urusov's link is especially worth following.
But I have the feeling that in some of Lev Gutman's lines Black's play can be improved.
  
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Re: An old italian gambit in Corus
Reply #5 - 01/21/09 at 01:01:59
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Re: Max Lange Gambit at Corus
Reply #4 - 01/21/09 at 00:48:23
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I have posted analysis of the game (with reference to Gutman and Emms) at my blog:
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/kenilworthian/2009/01/max-lange-gambit-revive...
  
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Re: An old italian gambit in Corus
Reply #3 - 01/20/09 at 12:56:45
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micawber wrote on 01/20/09 at 06:22:50:
Movsesian-Adams in the Corus tounament brought us an old gambit:

1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,Nc6 3.Bc4,Bc5 4.0-0,Nf6 (is 4...d6 more accurate?)

I think 4...d6 is better from practical point of view (You don't need to learn italian gambit and max lagne, very rare but quite poisonous sytems).
  

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Re: An old italian gambit in Corus
Reply #2 - 01/20/09 at 09:16:27
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I don't have the book but wasn't this covered in dangerous weapons 1 e4 e5
  
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Re: An old italian gambit in Corus
Reply #1 - 01/20/09 at 07:34:28
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Mov was probably attracted to this variation by the following game and may have some additional ideas for White. After testing it against Leko he probably made an analysis and thought it good enough for trying it against Adams. I am little surprised Adams didn't play the Max Lange cause according to Marin (Beating the Open Games) this variation is in good shape for Black. Perhaps Victor could shed some light in a coming update...

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C55 - Two Knights Defence

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.O-O Nf6 5.d4 Bxd4 6.Nxd4 Nxd4 7.f4 d6 8.fxe5 dxe5 9.Bg5 Be6 10.Na3 Qe7 11.c3 Bxc4 12.Bxf6 gxf6 13.Nxc4 Ne6 14.Ne3 Qc5 15.Qd2 Rd8 16.Qe2 Nf4 17.Qf3 Rg8 18.Rf2 Rd3 19.Re1 Rd6 20.Rc2 a5 21.g3 Qc6 22.Kh1 Ne6 23.Nf5 Rd7 24.Rf2 Nc5 25.Rfe2 Kd8 26.b4 axb4 27.cxb4 Ne6 28.Qa3 b6 29.Qa6 Ke8 30.Qa3 Rg5 31.b5 Qxb5 32.Rf2 Qc6 33.h4 Rg6 34.Kh2 Nd4 35.Rc1 Qb7 36.Qe3 Nxf5 37.Rxf5 Rd4 38.Re1 Ke7 39.h5 Rg8 40.Qh6 Rd6 41.Qxh7 Qa8 42.Ref1 Qf8 43.R5f2 Qg7 44.Qxg7 Rxg7 45.Kh3 Rd4 46.Rxf6 Rxe4 47.h6 Rh7 48.g4 Rd4 49.g5 Ra4 50.R1f2 e4 51.Rc2 Kd7 52.Kg4 e3+ 53.Kh5 Rd4 54.Rf3 Rd1 55.Re2 Rh1+ 56.Kg4 Rg1+ 57.Kf5 Rh8 58.Rexe3 f6 59.Rd3+ Kc8 60.Kxf6 Rf8+ 61.Ke7 Rxf3 62.Rxf3 Rxg5 63.h7 Re5+ 64.Kf6 Rh5 65.Kg6

Personally I find it interesting that most of the game the computer just gives an advantage to Black (plus-pawn) - this may also be very attractive to player like Movsesian, cause blacks preparation may be completely misguiding.

  
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An old italian gambit in Corus
01/20/09 at 06:22:50
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Movsesian-Adams in the Corus tounament brought us an old gambit:

1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,Nc6 3.Bc4,Bc5 4.0-0,Nf6 (is 4...d6 more accurate?)
5.d4, Bxd4 (5....cd4 leads to the Max Lange)
6.Nxd4,Nxd4
7.f4,d6
8.fxe,dxe
9.Bg5,Be6
10.Na3,Qe7
11.c3

This possition has been known sinds the 1870s and perhaps longer.
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Now in this position Adams played 11....Nc6 12.Kh1,Rd8 and the game showed that White has good compensation for his pawn.
But the critical position of this line occurs after
11.....Bxc4
12.Bxf6,gxf6
13.Nxc4,Ne6

(This position was reached in two games 1873/1878 where Anderssen was involved)
But it was also reached in Movsesian-Peter Leko (Tal-memorial 2008, blitz)
After 14.Ne3,Qc5 Black seems OK.

Question: Anything new in this variation?
Did Adams have reasons to evade the line Leko played?
  
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