MNb discussed that even before Scheerer's book came out, mentioning 5.Bf4 e6 6.Qd2 c5.  We reached much the same conclusions as Scheerer reached in his book.

Gambit wrote on 12/24/11 at 20:21:40:


He did, see post 9369.

Gambit wrote on 12/24/11 at 00:48:57:

Congratulations. It's very, very important to be more cited than I am.
In the meantime I will have a closer look at 5.Be3 in the Hübsch.

I don't play the Ryder Gambit, except in blitz. This is because I am not as familiar with it as the BDG. However, I am cited more in Scheerer's book than you are, MNb. I have lots of games in there.

You asked whether it was possible to avoid the Hubsch and the Lemberger after 1 d4 d5 and I gave you the answer: Yes it is. Assuming you play White and the opponent plays scaredy-cat after 2 f3, what you do depends on your skill.

Thorough analysis of a half move deep by LDZ. Except for the small detail that White in all three cases is slightly worse. In the Ryder Gambit it's because of 6...Qh4+ 7.g3 Qb4 8.O-O-O c6! The point is that square g3 is not available anymore for Her Majesty. LDZ could have known, because I have posted this line a few times before. In fact I have known this line since 15 years, when I still played the Ryder Gambit. Fortunately my opponents didn't have this knowledge; I never met it.
Flattering to read that I am cited in Scheerer's book - on page 294.

SWJediknight wrote on 12/23/11 at 12:16:58:

That's what I did when I played the Ryder Gambit for two seasons - quite some fun. One of my very few losses was with the Hübsch ..... I obviously hadn't done enough effort.
Scheerer also thinks high of ...c5, even though he writes that 5.Bf4 would be his recommendation. That looks a bit contradictory to me.
5.Be3 e5 6.dxe5 pleases me a lot better than the Lemberger. Exchanging Queens will mean a substantial lead in development. But there is 5.Be3 Nd7 (not in Scheerer's book) and stereotypal development will not do: 6.f3 exf3 7.Nxf3 e6 8.Bc4 e6 9.c3 Nd5 and White couldn't develop any attack, Werl-Mantzouneas, Bad Liebenzell 1996. I like 8.Bd3 e6 9.O-O better with the intention Nd5 10.Bg5
a)10...f6 11.Ne5! (fun) fxg5 12.Qh5+.
b)10...Bf6 11.Ne5! (hardly less fun) Bf6 12.Qh5.

Now if only I could breathe new life into 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.e4 dxe4 4.f3 exf3 5.Qxf3 Qxd4 6.Be3 Qh4+ for White ....

You asked for it as well, bloke. You help White from the quay into the ditch, as we Dutch say. In English its something with frying pan and fire.
1.d4 d5 2.f3 e5! or 2.f3 c5! and I already prefer Black.