I think this is the thread that Stefan and others were looking for in the Budapest.

The search function on this site didn't help, so I went to Google and typed "chesspub: Budapest" to get here.

Ender wrote on 02/18/13 at 15:57:04:


I'm not saying that White wins, certainly not out of the opening, just that his play should not be sniffed at. 

I don't think 14...Ned7 is "quite OK," but I agree ...Bf5 was better than ...Bg4 and probably equal.  I wonder why he didn't play it?   In reaction, e3-e4 doesn't look at all strong. 

White, however, could have played 10.Qd2, rather than 10.Qc2.

Smyslov_Fan wrote on 02/16/13 at 18:36:17:


For a comprehensive exposition of practice, see: https://1nf6.chesstheory.org/p.php?z=pt&a=139083&b=0&c=139083&d=0

An interesting recent game is Gareev - Taylor, Las Vegas 2012 , where Taylor goes down to defeat with his pet antidote.  Some other fairly recent games are Ernst - Swinkels, Amsterdam 2012, Pedersen - Kvamme, Malmoe 2012, and Nikolov - Bartsch, Bad Wiessee 2012.

Analysis I don't know about.  But it's not the sort of thing you analyze very deeply.  Gareev's plan of exchanging Black's c4 knight with Ba3,Bxc5 and then playing with his "extra" kingside pawn (while black had 4 versus 3 on the queenside) was useful to know about, I think.

bump.

That last is rather long analysis, Stefan, and I respectfully doubt that 7...d5 is any good.  But for the time being I want neither to enter into an analytical dispute about 4.e3, 5.Nh3, which we could no doubt carry on at great length, nor to abandon my belief that it's reasonably good for White. So I will simply note that we disagree and not carry on further here.

I'll say again, though, that I think Taylor's plan is Black's best.

A nice idea, but in the Kohlweyer-Lochte game White seemed better out of the opening. Instead of 13.Bg2, 13.Bd5 Kh8 14.f4 looks quite good, and 11.Qb3 might be even better.

Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/01/11 at 13:09:21:

The only time it ever came up in my cc practice was against John Moussesian, a strong U.S. player. As I recall it went 5.Nh3 Bb4+?! 6.Bd2 Bxd2+ 7.Qxd2. The exchage of bishops only helps White. What happened then was that Black got castled kingside while I got my KN to d5. Black then forgot about White's plan of f4, f5, f6 (with tempo) which was duly executed and produced Black's early resignation. So it was neither very informative nor very challenging, I'm afraid.

I will say that in club level play, the chance to ram that f-pawn comes up surprisingly often.

I think Black's best defense may be that given by Taylor; ...g6, ...d6 and Nbd7-c5. It's a game of chess.  My latest thinking is that White should play Bd2 just as soon as Black plays ...g6, and Bc3 just as soon as ...Bg7.  Black's dark-square bishop is a better piece than White's in all these lines, so White should try to exchange the two.

Stefan Buecker wrote on 07/12/11 at 16:06:21:


Sorry, I missed this.

Well Stefan, I admit that my liking for 5.Nh3 is a little bit subjective, but I don't agree that White gets nothing. After 5...d6, White should play 6.Nf4, I would think, the prevention of which was the point of 5...Ng6.

In that other, diagrammed position, it looks to me like White has 4 versus 3 on the kingside; 3 stopping 4 on the queenside; the two bishops; essentially no weaknesses; and all the time in the world to play it out. Maybe a Black with good technique can draw that after 80 moves or so, but I wouldn't want to try it myself.

In the Budapest, Black can almost always say, "See how solid I am?" Big wup.