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Re: A Comparison Chart For Ruy Lopez?
Reply #11 - 02/07/09 at 03:56:24
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The Berlin is listed as an endgame variation for White, but not for Black, since it is White who decides whether to head into the endgame. 

Writing in 1963, Barden gives 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Nxe5 5.d4 Nd6 6.dxe5 Nxb5 7.a4 as his main recommendation; whereas after 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.dxe5 Nf5, he concludes that Black gets a solid position.
  
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Re: A Comparison Chart For Ruy Lopez?
Reply #10 - 02/06/09 at 00:55:31
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Greetings,

Thank you for that! Cool

Which begs the question...

Which variations does he place in each category!?  Grin

At a guess, I'd say he probably puts the Classical/Moeller Variations in the first - "Simple development..." and the Berlin in the last - "Endgames"!?  Huh

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Re: A Comparison Chart For Ruy Lopez?
Reply #9 - 02/05/09 at 22:09:58
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I dug out my copy of Barden.  Quite interesting.  He classifies the variations into:

-- Simple, direct development; open games with many pieces in action

-- King's side attack with pieces

-- King's side attack with pawns

-- Play on both Wings

-- Strategic play in open positions: attacks vs weak pawns, weak squares

-- Strategic play in locked positions: minor piece maneuvers

-- Defense with chances of counterattack

-- Solid defense

-- Endgames

Within these categories, he suggests lines to both White and Black, although there are a few categories that don't have suggestions for one color or the other.
  
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Re: A Comparison Chart For Ruy Lopez?
Reply #8 - 02/03/09 at 10:57:23
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Greetings,

Thank you all!

I've managed to get a copy of King's/Ponzetto's book - it has a table at the end indicating how positional/tactical the various lines are in th Ruy Lopez. Cool

Still looking for Barden's book - I'll let you know if I find a copy.

I might also check out the Starting Out book, though I had seen some poor reviews of it.

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Re: A Comparison Chart For Ruy Lopez?
Reply #7 - 02/03/09 at 08:14:08
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Shaw's Starting out book might be a good choice if you just want to see 2-3 tabiyas from each main branch..

  
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Re: A Comparison Chart For Ruy Lopez?
Reply #6 - 01/30/09 at 01:51:23
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Right.  I think the title was Ruy Lopez, Winning Chess with 1.P-K4.
  
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Re: A Comparison Chart For Ruy Lopez?
Reply #5 - 01/30/09 at 00:36:30
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You can see the Daniel King book here ...
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1208516772

It came out about 15 years ago.  As was standard for books of that series, it divides things up basically according to (central) pawn structure; for each structure there is a section on typical ideas and then a couple of annotated games.

Leonard Barden did a well-regarded Ruy book back in the sixties, which I assume is what LeeRoth is referring to.
  
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Re: A Comparison Chart For Ruy Lopez?
Reply #4 - 01/29/09 at 22:11:58
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Greetings,

kylemeister
Perhaps what I need to see is a general book on the Ruy Lopez and see how the author describes the various variations - preferably one which covers the themes and motifs in the opening, rather than concrete lines.

I seem to remember King's book - blue cover?! Or was that Lane's?!

Perhaps a list of general Ruy Lopez books would be best!? Particularly those which do compare variations...

LeeRoth
Which Barden did you mean?

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Re: A Comparison Chart For Ruy Lopez?
Reply #3 - 01/29/09 at 22:05:28
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Greetings,

Not the Guardian Guide To Chess by any chance!!??  Shocked

It was the first book of chess I ever had!

I don't recall any sort of comparison - so, maybe, that's not the one to which you're referring?!

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Re: A Comparison Chart For Ruy Lopez?
Reply #2 - 01/29/09 at 21:53:43
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There is a chart in Leonard Barden's old book that compares the different variations of the Ruy Lopez along the lines that you are suggesting.  It does not, however, draw any comparisons between the variations of the Ruy Lopez and the Sicilian.
  
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Re: A Comparison Chart For Ruy Lopez?
Reply #1 - 01/29/09 at 21:06:46
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There is a chart something like what you're talking about in Daniel King's "Mastering the Spanish."

But one might find a suitable variation by, you know, playing over games, looking at lines in ECO etc. ...
  
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A Comparison Chart For Ruy Lopez?
01/29/09 at 20:49:31
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Greetings,

From what I understand, like the Sicilian, the Ruy Lopez has "something to suit everyone's taste".

As someone who doesn't play e-pawn openings, but would like to find a similar type of Ruy Lopez variation to a variation of the Sicilian, for example, is there anywhere one might find a comparison chart, as it were?

If not, how would one find a suitable variation within the Ruy Lopez? Huh

By "similar", I mean open/tactical/attacking or closed/positional/manoeuvring or all-sorts in-between - in a broader sense, which variations of Semi-Open/Semi-Closed defences are similar to variations in the Ruy Lopez?

Perhaps that's not quite as clear as it should be! Embarrassed

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