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Reply #24 - 02/09/09 at 19:18:02
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Dear All,
I apologise in advance, but what miamisharks asked -and says he is a 2100 elo rating player- it is competely crazy. It is like to have money for investment and you just stop people in the road and asked them what do in order to invest them properly. If  for any reason , he wants to play the French he must study games from players like Kortchnoi,Short,Ysupov,Short,Gurevich, to see if the resulting endgame and middlegame positions are suits his style and based on his findings to built his new repertoire.
From one he is not a 2100 elo rating, but much lower.
It is quite different to ask for a specific position or a variation. But for repertoire my friend it is something more serious.
  
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My rusty German translation of

"4.c4...Der legendare Schachmeister Paul Morphy liebte keine habeschlonessen Stellungen und spielte daher die Abtauschvariante 3.ed5,die zu offeneren Stellungen uberleitet".  Is:

The legendary chess master  Paul Morphy was no lover of semi-closed positions and so played the exchange variation 3.ed5 which leads to more open positions.
  
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@JonathanB: OK you're right...maybe I was too much in hurry when translating Karel Mokry comments about Szen-Boncourt,Paris 1836 with "4.c4...Der legendare Schachmeister Paul Morphy liebte keine habeschlonessen Stellungen und spielte daher die Abtauschvariante 3.ed5,die zu offeneren Stellungen uberleitet".
  
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dom wrote on 02/03/09 at 18:50:29:
Morphy vatiation 4.c4


I haven't found any games where Morphy plays 4. c4.  Sometimes later but not straightaway.
  
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Reply #20 - 02/04/09 at 21:00:35
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dom wrote on 02/03/09 at 18:50:29:
... here are some interesting games  for French Exchange


Thanks v. much for this.

A few more suggestions I don't think are on your list ...

Kasparov-Korchnoi, Tilburg 1991 and Kasparov-Bareev, Paris rapid 1991
both can be found (along with Kasparov-Short, Tilburg, 1991) here:-
http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.com/2009/01/interesting-french-exchange-ix...

Gurevich-Short, Manilla 1990
the classic 'how to win as Black against a guy who only wants a draw' game
http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.com/2007/11/jbs-favourite-moves-ii.html

Enoch-Nimzovitch, Berlin 1827
a ...0-0-0 hack
http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.com/2007/12/interesting-french-exchange-ii...

Tal-Korchnoi, USSR 1955
another commonly cited game.  A draw but only just.
http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.com/2008/02/interesting-french-exchange-ii...

Kovacs-Korchnoi, Sarajievo 1969
can be found along with Tatai-Korchnoi, Beersheva 1978 (mentioned post above yours), here:-
http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.com/2008/02/interesting-french-exchange-iv...

Eley-Uhlmann, Hastings 1972/73 and Bohnisch-Uhlmann, Leipzig, 1989
admittedly not the most exciting games in themselevs but I like how Uhlmann grinds down the opposition without any risk to himself
http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.com/2008/04/interesting-french-exchange-v....

Apseniek-Alekhine, Buenos Aires 1939
an early ... Qh4 like Winter-Alekhine, Nottingham 1936.  Both can be found here.
http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.com/2008/09/interesting-french-exchange-vi...


I'm currently working on a post  with all of Morphy's exchange French games.  There's only about 7 of them as far as I can see and they're not (unlike Kasparov's games for example) theoretically relevant really.  Historical interest though.  The post should appear on the S&BCC blog in the next couple of weeks.
  
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Jesus! Thanks incredibly.
  
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Reply #18 - 02/03/09 at 19:28:11
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@miamisharks: 
References for gxf6 line:

- "Europe Echecs  1991" .  Pytel
Giplis-Chernin,St John 1988
Liberzon-Botvinnik,Moscou 1966
Peretz-Czerniak,Israel 1976
Sokolov-Andersson,Bruxelles 1988
Wedberg-Andersson,Hastings 1987
Rohde-Speelmann,Londres 1984
Bellon-Marovic,Medina del Campo 1980
Arapovic-Pytel,Martigny 1988
Fischer-Minev,La Havanne 1966
Hector-Pytel,Nantes 1988 
Klovane-Tchistiakov,URSS 1967
Kovane-Petrossian,URSS 1975
Hebden-Pytel,Villeneuve Tolosane 1988 
Arapovic-Pytel,Avoine 1985
Lanka-Marzano,Cannes 1991
Duster-Pytel,St Ingbert 1988
Charbonnel-Pytel,Toulon 1988

- Psakhis

Khamatgaleev-Kiriakov,Perm 1997 
Jenni-Buhmann,Leon 2001
Zelcic-Zuger,Pula 2003
DeFirmian-Knaak,Allemagne 2001 
Jenni-Zuger,Suisse 2002
Kosten-Chandler,Hastings 1990
Ivanov-Nikolenko,Ashkabad 1990 

- Europe Echecs June 2003

De Vreugt-Radjabov,Wijk aan Zee 2001

- Chesspublishing update september 2005

Ivanchuk-Volkov,StVincent 2005 

- Balinov

Najer-Chebotarev,Kazan 2005

- Eingorn

Babudzhian-Stellwagen,IStanbul 2005


Black players are: Pytel K. (in 80's), Bauer, Morozevich


  
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Reply #17 - 02/03/09 at 18:50:29
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Working at current time about a hugge list of French games, here are some interesting games  for French Exchange (Winawer variation 4.Nc3 Bb4 not ended and Morphy vatiation 4.c4 not begun):

Iuldachev-Gurevich,Gent 1999
Kasparov-Short,Tilburg 1991
Hopper-Williams,1994
Turov-Sretenski,1997
Smyslov-Vaganian,Rostov on Don 1993
Beckemeier-Ellers,Dortmund 1995
Spassky-Short,2001
Marquinez Cabrejas-Matamoros Franco,1998
Madeira-Rodriguez,Sao Paulo 2004
Chigorin-Winawer,Londres 1883
Borik-Ac,Bratislava 1999
Milosevic-Majstorovic,Londres 1994
Burn-Spielmann,1912
Banchev-Lupu,Orange 1990
Tikzhanov-Volkov,Omsk 1996
Marquinez Cabrejas-Matamoros Franco,1998
Madeira-Rodriguez,Sao Paulo 2004
Chigorin-Winawer,Londres 1812
Borik-Ac,Bratislava 1999
Burn-Spielmann,1912
Banchev-Lupu,Orange 1990
Tikzhanov-Volkov,Omsk 1996
Serrano Nunez-Gallardo Garcia,Collado Villalba 2001
Teske-Maksimenko,Schoeneck 1996
Lipecki-Matamoros Franco,Berne 1995
Illiescas-Vaganian,Barcelone 1989
Vodopivec-Savchenko,Nova Gorica 1997
Payet-Khanom,Yerevan 1996
Otto-Spiess,Leipzig 1996
Schweinburg-Nimzowitsch,Berlin 1927
Franz-Uhlmann,Dresde 1959
Iruzubieta Villaluenga-Romero Holmes,Espagne 1994
Spielmann-Tarrasch,1922
Mathonia-Sarakauskas,Baden 2001
Marshall-Capablanca,St Petersburg 1914
Alayola-Vallejo Pons,1999
Marco-Albin,Vienne 1890
Vasiukov-Enevoldsen,Berlin 1962
Bellini-Kindermann,Baden 1999
Arencibia-Vallejo Pons,2001
Lorenz-Schlenker,Nuremberg 1990
Robertson-Buchanan,Ecosse 1994
Psakhis-Nogueiras,rapides Madrid 1988
Rivas Pastor-Dreev,Logrono 1991
Lazic-Kosten, Varallo 1991  
Karaklajic-Keller,Hoogovens 1967
Van der Meer-Soraas,2005
Berndtsson Kullberg-Tartakower,Hamburg 1930
Marinkovic-Djukic,Serbie 2003
Estrin-Byvshev,Leningrad 1955
Winter-Alekhine,Nottingham 1936  
Moskovic-Short,2002
Lorenc-Ilujshin,Prague 1996
Short-Timman,Tilburg 1990
Nataf-Rustemov,Stochkolm 2002
Schwarz-Pitschel,Vienne 1873
Phillips-Barsov,Metz 2002
Belenzon-Watson,Phoenix 1976
Capablanca-Alekhine,Buenos Aires 1927

Systems in previous games are often with Nc6 instead of c5.

Opposite castling/Breaking symetry makes often more dynamic play for each side. 

Good lessons can be learned from Alekhine's games as Black (or Larsen with White) because main plan to exchange "good bishop" is explained (for White, plan is to exchange dark square bishops and for Black, light square bishops).
  
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Reply #16 - 02/03/09 at 10:38:03
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author=Novosibirsk link=1233347142/0#8 date=1233403568Well...one can see it that way...but there will be no dynamic chess at all. And what about if you HAVE to win. I would definitly chose the pirc if I have to win. I have played the french too and find it quite boring facing the exchangevariation. But on the other hand...why would Korchnoi and Uhlman have played the french if they couldnt win with it ?hmm... french is complicated Smiley


Against 1. e4 e6  2. d4 d5  3. exd5 exd5  4. Ad3 can be interesting 4.., c5

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Tatai - Korchnoi  Beer Sheva 1978 ( 0-1 14 moves)
Gilea - Atalik      Sovta 2003          ( 0-1 17 moves)
Moskovich - Short England 2002     (0-1  37 moves)
  
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MNb wrote on 01/31/09 at 13:11:03:
Novosibirsk wrote on 01/31/09 at 11:37:49:

Another thing with the french defence is this darn Exchange variation. If you have the ambition to play dynamic chess your white oponent can make it very difficult for you by just playing this simplyfing variation. Everything will fall apart like a cardhouse. I think Pirc (and modern) defense is probably the only way for black (1.e4) to avoid exchange variations in both french and the Caro,c3-sicilians,Bb5 sicilians,and so on. So you should consider this I think if you want to be "guaranteed" a dynamic fight.


The Pirc is indeed a convincing way to avoid exchange variations in other openings, but not to avoid the exchange variation in the Classical: something like 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Be2 0-0 6.0-0 c6 7.h3 Nbd7 8.Re1 e5 9.dxe5. I already can see the heavy artillery neutralizing each other along the only open file.
Such positions are more sterile imo than Anti-Sicilians, the Exchange Variation of the Caro-Kann or even the one of the French. Concerning the latter - if White does not play c2-c4, than Black can castle queenside. That guarantees very sharp play.


Minor, off-topic point, but Black can try 7...Qc7 8.a4 Nbd7 9.Be3 b6 with more interesting play...
  
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Reply #14 - 02/01/09 at 14:26:16
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You might want to take a closer look at the Classical:
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7

It is solid and, leads to asymmetrical positions and keeps a lot of pieces on the board.
In the main line Black can choose between early castling, or immediate queenside play. Likewise in the Alekhine-Chatard Black can choose between more tactical/theoretical or quieter lines.

Here are a few random examples.

[Event "TCCL"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.12.21"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Ed. Zelkind"]
[Black "Unger"]
[Result "0-1"]

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.Bxe7 Qxe7 7.f4 a6 8.Nf3
c5 9.Qd2 Nc6 10.Ne2 {Book is dc. If 10.0-0-0 Psahkis mentions
..c4. Since 10.Ne2 is so slow, I decided to castle on the king's
side.} O-O 11.c3 f6 12.Ng3 b5 13.Bd3 b4 14.O-O (14.exf6 Qxf6 15.Ne2) 14...f5
15.Rfc1 Bb7 16.Qf2 c4 17.Bc2 Nb6 18.Nf1 a5 19.Ne3 Na7 20.Bd1 (20.g4 fxg4
21.Bxh7+ Kxh7 22.Ng5+ Qxg5) 20...Nb5 21.Qe1 bxc3 22.bxc3 Na3 23.Qd2 (23.Nc2)
23...Bc6 24.Be2 Ba4 25.Rf1 Rab8 26.h3 Rb7 27.g4 fxg4 28.Nxg4 Bc2 29.Kh2
Na4 30.Rf2 Rb2 31.Rg1 Kh8 32.Qc1 Bf5 33.Bd1 {White had about
five minutes left on the clock.} Rb1 34.Qe3 Nb2 35.Be2 Rxg1 36.Kxg1 Nc2
37.Qc1 Nd3 38.Bxd3 cxd3 39.Ne1 Nxe1 40.Qxe1 Qh4 41.Qe3 Rb8 {White
lost on time.} (41...Rc8 42.Rb2 h5 43.Nf2 Rxc3)  0-1

[Event "ICCF Email - corr"]
[Site "ICCF Email"]
[Date "2001.08.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Miloslav Klempar"]
[Black "Artis Gaujens"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[ECO "C14"]

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.Bxe7 Qxe7 7.f4 0-0 8.Nf3 c5 9.Bd3 f6 10.exf6 Qxf6
11.g3 Nc6 12.dxc5 Nxc5 13.0-0 Bd7 14.Re1 Be8 15.Bb5 Bh5 16.Bxc6 bxc6 17.Qd4 Bxf3 18.Qxc5 Rab8 19.b3
g5 20.Qe3 Bg4 21.fxg5 Qg6 22.Qd2 Rf5 23.h4 Rf3 24.Re3 Rbf8 25.Rd3 Qf5 26.Rxf3 Qxf3 27.Kh2 Qf2+
28.Qxf2 Rxf2+ 29.Kg1 Rxc2 30.Nd1 Bf3 31.Nf2 Be2 32.Kg2 e5 33.Kh3 e4 34.Ng4 Kf7 35.h5 d4 36.Nh6+ Kf8
37.Nf5 d3 38.h6 Kf7 39.Nd4 Rd2 40.Nxc6 Rd1 41.Rxd1 Bxd1 42.Ne5+ Kg8 43.Nc4 d2 44.Ne3 Bf3 45.g4 Kf7
46.Kg3 d1=Q 47.Nxd1 Bxd1 48.Kf4 Kg6
0-1

[Event "World Open"]
[Site "Philadelphia USA"]
[Date "2008.07.05"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Melikset Khachiyan"]
[Black "Varuzhan Akobian"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2504"]
[BlackElo "2610"]
[ECO "C14"]

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.Bxe7 Qxe7 7.f4 a6 8.Nf3 c5 9.Qd2 Nc6 10.0-0-0 b5
11.dxc5 Nxc5 12.Bd3 b4 13.Ne2 0-0 14.Kb1 a5 15.Ned4 Nxd4 16.Nxd4 Ba6 17.Bxa6 Rxa6 18.h4 Ne4 19.Qe3
a4 20.Ne2 b3 21.cxb3 axb3 22.Qxb3 Qa7 23.Nc1 Rb8
0-1
  
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Thanks very much for the help so far. Keep it coming! Feel free to suggest other lines in the French you think I might be interested in given my other choices. Also, suggested resources always welcome. NIC, Informant, whatever. My personal bias is that I love books, and am more likely to use them than CDs.

I don't mind the Exchange French at all, not even in must-win situations; I'm young, have plenty of energy, and reasonable confidence in my ability to play chess. Besides, 2. c3 Sicilian is my bread and butter with white Smiley.

I do plan on becoming an expert on the ...gxf6 stuff; not sure how else it can be played at 2200+ level. I realise the Mac leads to dynamic positions, but it just doesn't look right to me. Obviously a matter of taste.

PS:

In addition to all this, anyone who has personal experience of playing these lines at 2000+ level, I'm very interested in what you have to say.
  
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Novosibirsk wrote on 01/31/09 at 13:33:09:

In Pirc black doesnt have to choose a philidor set up with e5 he can go for  a sicilian approach with c5 played instead. He can also chose modern setups with a6 (Tigers modern). There are always ways to fight in the Pirc.

You sorta have to...
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MNb wrote on 01/31/09 at 13:11:03:
Novosibirsk wrote on 01/31/09 at 11:37:49:

Another thing with the french defence is this darn Exchange variation. If you have the ambition to play dynamic chess your white oponent can make it very difficult for you by just playing this simplyfing variation. Everything will fall apart like a cardhouse. I think Pirc (and modern) defense is probably the only way for black (1.e4) to avoid exchange variations in both french and the Caro,c3-sicilians,Bb5 sicilians,and so on. So you should consider this I think if you want to be "guaranteed" a dynamic fight.


The Pirc is indeed a convincing way to avoid exchange variations in other openings, but not to avoid the exchange variation in the Classical: something like 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Be2 0-0 6.0-0 c6 7.h3 Nbd7 8.Re1 e5 9.dxe5. I already can see the heavy artillery neutralizing each other along the only open file.
Such positions are more sterile imo than Anti-Sicilians, the Exchange Variation of the Caro-Kann or even the one of the French. Concerning the latter - if White does not play c2-c4, than Black can castle queenside. That guarantees very sharp play.


In Pirc black doesnt have to choose a philidor set up with e5 he can go for  a sicilian approach with c5 played instead. He can also chose modern setups with a6 (Tigers modern). There are always ways to fight in the Pirc.
  
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Novosibirsk wrote on 01/31/09 at 11:37:49:

Another thing with the french defence is this darn Exchange variation. If you have the ambition to play dynamic chess your white oponent can make it very difficult for you by just playing this simplyfing variation. Everything will fall apart like a cardhouse. I think Pirc (and modern) defense is probably the only way for black (1.e4) to avoid exchange variations in both french and the Caro,c3-sicilians,Bb5 sicilians,and so on. So you should consider this I think if you want to be "guaranteed" a dynamic fight.


The Pirc is indeed a convincing way to avoid exchange variations in other openings, but not to avoid the exchange variation in the Classical: something like 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Be2 0-0 6.0-0 c6 7.h3 Nbd7 8.Re1 e5 9.dxe5. I already can see the heavy artillery neutralizing each other along the only open file.
Such positions are more sterile imo than Anti-Sicilians, the Exchange Variation of the Caro-Kann or even the one of the French. Concerning the latter - if White does not play c2-c4, than Black can castle queenside. That guarantees very sharp play.
  
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