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Re: Some sort of Colle
Reply #4 - 02/27/09 at 17:35:23
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I have an interesting way to play this position. I assume that I am playing KIA with colors reversed. You will feel better of your winning chances this way. Though we need to careful of not thinking that we already have advantage. We do not. Black is just equal but he can outplay his opponent.
  
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Re: Some sort of Colle
Reply #3 - 02/20/09 at 13:17:33
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An option:

Play d5,c5,b6, double fianchetto, Nc6 and this's the point: Nfd7 and after this ...e5! (you have three pieces looking after e5) you will open the center and the fianchettoed bishops were more valued than white's ( that is what Weeramantry says about fianchettoed bishops).

  
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Re: Some sort of Colle
Reply #2 - 02/18/09 at 22:33:23
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That seems easy enough. Correct me if I am mistaken.... blacks idea is to develop naturally, put rooks actively on e-file and another file and with the plan of moving the bishop and push e5.
  
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Re: Some sort of Colle
Reply #1 - 02/18/09 at 21:55:53
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People keep telling me that basic opening reference books are obsolete ...

One well-respected type of approach for Black can be seen in games like these:

[Event "Los Angeles ch-USA"]
[Site ""]
[Date "1991.??.??"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Kamsky, Gata"]
[Black "Benjamin, Joel Lawrence"]
[Result "0-1"]
[NIC "QP 3.7"]
[ECO "A48"]
[PlyCount "86"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. Bf4 Bg7 4. e3 d6 5. h3 c5 6. c3 cxd4 7. exd4 O-O 8. Be2 Be6 
9. O-O Qb6 10. Qc1 Nc6 11. Na3 Rac8 12. Re1 Bd5 13. Nc2 Be4 14. Bd1 Rfe8 15. Ng5 
Bd5 16. Bf3 e5 17. dxe5 dxe5 18. Be3 Qc7 19. Bxd5 Nxd5 20. Rd1 Rcd8 21. Nf3 e4 22. 
Nfe1 Ne5 23. Bh6 Nxc3 24. Rxd8 Ne2  25. Kh1 Rxd8 26. Qe3 Bxh6 27. Qxh6 Qb6 28. Ne3 
Qxb2 29. N1c2 Nd3 30. Qh4 Rd6 31. Rf1 Qf6 32. Qxf6 Rxf6 33. Ng4 Rc6 34. Nge3 f5 35. 
g3 g5 36. Na3 f4 37. gxf4 gxf4 38. Nd5 Kf7 39. Nb5 a6 40. Na7 Rh6 41. Kh2 Rh5 42. 
Nb6 f3 43. Nc4 Ndf4 0-1

[Event "Las Palmas"]
[Site ""]
[Date "1993.??.??"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Yussupov, Artur"]
[Black "Topalov, Veselin"]
[Result "0-1"]
[NIC "QP 3.14"]
[ECO "A48"]
[PlyCount "100"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. Bf4 Bg7 4. e3 d6 5. Be2 O-O 6. h3 c5 7. O-O Qb6 8. Nbd2 Be6 
9. Ng5 Bd7 10. Nc4 Qc7 11. c3 h6 12. Nf3 b6 13. Bd3 Qb7 14. Re1 Bc6 15. Ncd2 Ne4 
16. Nxe4 Bxe4 17. Qe2 Nd7 18. Ba6 Qc7 19. Nd2 Bb7 20. Bxb7 Qxb7 21. e4 cxd4 22. cxd4 
Rac8 23. Nf3 Rc7 24. Qe3 Kh7 25. Qb3 Nf6 26. e5 dxe5 27. Nxe5 Rcc8 28. a4 Nd5 29. 
Bd2 e6 30. h4 h5 31. a5 Rc7 32. a6 Qc8 33. Qd3 Rd8 34. Bg5 Rd6 35. Qa3 Bxe5 36. dxe5 
Rdc6 37. Qb3 Rc2 38. Ra4 R7c4 39. Re4 Rxa4 40. Rxa4 Re2 41. Qf3 Re1  42. Kh2 Kg8 
43. Bf6 Qc7 44. g3 Qc2 45. b3 Re3 46. Qg2 Rxb3 47. Rd4 Rd3 48. Re4 Rd2 49. Rf4 Kh7 
50. Rf3 Ne3 0-1
  
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Some sort of Colle
02/18/09 at 20:22:29
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Hi, let me first say that this is a very good forum. I have read many posts but haven't registered until now!!!

I play the Grunfeld but many times white delays c4 in order to play c3 as a response to ...c5 by black. 

As a Grunfeld player how should I play? I always feel like d5 is wrong with g6, Bg7.

For instance the following variation is something I have met a number of times:

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Bf4 Bg7 4.h3 0-0 5.e3 c5 6.c3

All black moves by me where made without any knowledge of how to play this so you are free to suggest any other moves you like better.

Please give me some suggestions of how to play against this.
  
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