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Re: Philidor Antoshin seems ostracized over here
Reply #6 - 02/27/09 at 14:14:19
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MNb wrote on 02/27/09 at 11:46:20:
In that case you seem to miss the point of Chess Pub. It does not pretend to give complete coverage of any opening and to replace books etc.


Yeah, I've noticed it so far. That's why the CP opening materials can only be used as supplementary ones but more recent updates (not 4-5 year-olds as is the case with the 6 Bf4 line in the Antoshin) would be more precious.
  
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Re: Philidor Antoshin seems ostracized over here
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In that case you seem to miss the point of Chess Pub. It does not pretend to give complete coverage of any opening and to replace books etc.
  

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Re: Philidor Antoshin seems ostracized over here
Reply #4 - 02/27/09 at 05:09:11
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 02/26/09 at 15:56:50:
ChessPublishing has always tried to concentrate on the latest theory, and the most topical lines, so it seems quite normal that we give much more attention to the Marshall, say, than Antoshin's.
Maybe I should start a second site to rival the SOS or Dangerous Weapons books?! Roll Eyes


That was not my point. I meant that if and when you or other ChessPub authors give a coverage of an opening in your ebooks here it is always a good idea to provide its detailed coverage, otherwise people can be easily misinformed. Also, I presume, the most of people who visit this site are mainly club players and need deeper insight. As to the Antoshin, I think the main sources are your old book "Winning with the Philidor" (1992), "The Philidor Files" by Bauer (2006) and "The Philidor: A Secret Weapon" by Seel (2007) with the ChessPub ebook "2 Nf3 - Various Black replies" being only as a supplemental source.
  
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Re: Philidor Antoshin seems ostracized over here
Reply #3 - 02/26/09 at 15:56:50
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Lou_Cyber wrote on 02/26/09 at 14:22:45:
Just a week ago I noticed that 6.Bf4 does not exist in the pdf-files. Chesspub-Support referred to the games from the archives, but the material still is not up to date.

I just had a look and it is definitely mentioned in the PDF file! The PDFs are ALWAYS up-to-date! Smiley
ChessPublishing has always tried to concentrate on the latest theory, and the most topical lines, so it seems quite normal that we give much more attention to the Marshall, say, than Antoshin's.
Maybe I should start a second site to rival the SOS or Dangerous Weapons books?! Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Philidor Antoshin seems ostracized over here
Reply #2 - 02/26/09 at 14:50:39
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True, true... The chapter on the Antoshin is rather thin and does not include some recent good games. The reason, I believe, is that this variation is very low-rated with top GMs. Still, it seems like a nice weapon for club players.. As to possible guest authors, they must surely be experts in this line and know all of the nuances. I think, GM Christian Bauer or IM Christian Seel could be ones to make a good coverage on it, but they are not Chess Pub columnists, alas...
  
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Re: Philidor Antoshin seems ostracized over here
Reply #1 - 02/26/09 at 14:22:45
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I agree. Transpositional problems might be one cause. In the 1.e4 ... section there are a few Antoshin games reached by the move order 1.e4 d6 2.d4 etc..

Just a week ago I noticed that 6.Bf4 does not exist in the pdf-files. Chesspub-Support referred to the games from the archives, but the material still is not up to date. It is a pity that the 1.e4 e5 section is so big. Of course the Petroff and Ruy Lopez need a lot of time and space, but the minor 1.e4 e5 openings suffer from this. An occasional update by a guest author on these minor openings might be a good idea.

Still there are a few good threads on the Antoshin in the Forum.
  

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Philidor Antoshin seems ostracized over here
02/26/09 at 12:22:30
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I don't know why but the Antoshin is covered only very briefly on  the 1...e5 homepage. Suffice to say, the variation 6 Bc4 is ultimately missing in the ebook and 6 Bf4 coverage is outdated. Since the game played by Scalcione in 2003 there have been played a lot of interesting games, for instance, such games as:

Mahjoob, M.-Roktim, B./6th Parsvnath Open, IND 2008 0-1
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7 6. Bf4 O-O 7. Qd2 a6 8. f3 b5 9. a4 b4 10. Nd5 Nxd5 11. exd5 Bh4+ 12. g3 Re8+ 13. Kf2 Bf6 14. Rd1 Bb7 15. Bc4 a5 16. Rhe1 Rxe1 17. Rxe1 Nd7 18. c3 Ne5 19. Ba2 Qd7 20. Qd1 bxc3 21. bxc3 Ba6 22. Bb1 g6 23. Bc2 Bc4 24. Be4 Rb8 25. Bc1 Qh3 26. Kg1 Re8 27. Bd2 Kg7 28. Bf4 Nd7 29. Qc2 Nc5 30. Qf2 Nxa4 31. Qd2 Nc5 32. Qf2 a4 33. Bc1 Bd3 34. Re3 Bxe4 35. fxe4 Bxd4 36. cxd4 Nxe4 37. Qf3 Qf5 38. Qe2 Qxd5 39. Bb2 Re6 40. Qc2 Ng5 41. Rxe6 Nh3+ 42. Kf1 Qh1+ 43. Ke2 Qxh2+ 0-1

Leconte, M.-Abergel, T./FRA 2008 0-1

1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 d6 4. d4 exd4 5. Nxd4 Be7 6. Bf4 O-O 7. Qd2 a6 8.O-O-O b5 9. Nd5 Nxd5 10. exd5 Bf6 11. h4 Bb7 12. Nf5 Nd7 13. Rh3 Nb6 14. Ne3 Re8 15. Bd3 Bxb2+ 16. Kxb2 Qf6+ 17. c3 Qxf4 18. Rf3 Qe5 19. Rf5 Qe7 20. Rg5 Bc8 21. Bf5 Qxe3 22. fxe3 Nc4+ 23. Kc2 Nxd2 24. Kxd2 h6 25. Rh5 Re5 26. Bxc8 Rxh5 27. Bb7 Re8 28. g3 Re4 29. Kd3 Rhe5 30. Re1 Ra4 31. Re2 f5 32. h5 Kf7 33. Rf2 Kf6 34. Rf4 Rxa2 35. g4 Ra4 36. gxf5 Rxf4 37. exf4 Rxf5 38. Ke4 Rxh5 39. Bxa6 Rh4 0-1

Also, the game between Firman and Degraeve might be of interest:

Firman,N-Degraeve,JM/Bundesliga 2007-8, 2008 1-0

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7 6. Bf4 O-O 7. Qd2 a6 8.O-O-O b5 9. Be2 c6 10. Bf3 Ra7 11. e5 dxe5 12. Bxe5 Bd7 13. Rhe1 Re8 14. Qg5 Nh5 15. Qxh5 Bg5+ 16. Kb1 g6 17. Bxb8 Rxe1 18. Rxe1 Ra8 19. Bc7 1-0


 
  
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