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Re: d6 in the Italian Game
Reply #7 - 03/08/09 at 22:32:01
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Re: d6 in the Italian Game
Reply #6 - 03/08/09 at 02:08:35
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That's funny. I'd thought for sure we'd end up talking about 4.c3, which I consider the critical approach. After 4.d4 exd5 Black will fianchetto (the plan for him after d6 anyway) and his position is fine and shown by Atalik. 4.c3 on the other hand demands more precision because White will have an initiative in the center and a nice space advantage.
  

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Re: d6 in the Italian Game
Reply #5 - 03/07/09 at 20:26:54
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1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 d6 4.d4 exd4 5.c3 alas does not transpose to the Göring Gambit as Black has the strong ...Nf6.
  

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Re: d6 in the Italian Game
Reply #4 - 03/07/09 at 20:19:17
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Apologies, I meant to say that 4.Bc4 Nc6 transposes.  In the Philidor White has already played Nf3 of course!
  
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Re: d6 in the Italian Game
Reply #3 - 03/07/09 at 17:13:06
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Surely 4. d4 Bg4 is quite different from, and better than, 3...Bg4 in the Philidor.      
  
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Re: d6 in the Italian Game
Reply #2 - 03/07/09 at 16:51:16
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1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 d6 4.d4 exd4 can lead either to a cramped Philidor formation after 5.Nxd4, or White can also offer a transposition to the Goring Gambit with 5.c3.  I have to admit I'm not sure what White's best response is after 5...Nf6, but 5...Ne5?! 6.Nxe5 dxe5 is better for White, and 5...dxc3 6.Nxc3 transposes to the Goring Gambit with Black unable to play the most critical line (5...Bb4).

4.d4 Bg4 probably leads to similar positions to the Philidor line with 2...d6 3.d4 Bg4 (when 4.Nf3 Nc6 would transpose).
  
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Re: d6 in the Italian Game
Reply #1 - 03/07/09 at 15:06:58
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There's a famous(?) Alekhine game in which he met 4. c3 with 4...Bg4 (inviting 5. Qb3, which his opponent indeed played), sacrificed stuff and won in short order.  Looking at a couple of theory books I see that one thinks 4...Bg4 is unclear, while the other thinks it should be +=.

On 4. d4 they seem to differ as to whether Black should play 4...ed or 4...Bg4, but both think the result should be +=.
  
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d6 in the Italian Game
03/07/09 at 12:46:24
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I see that Marin covers 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 d6?! (my comment) in the new Chessbase Magazine.

What do you guys think of this? I don't have a copy, but I'm curious as to any opinions on here.

I will say that 4.d4 does not appear dangerous to me (I think simply 4...exd4), but 4.c3 does. After this latter move, 4...g6 in my opinion is the only reliable move. Perhaps Be6.
  

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