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Re: Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ??
Reply #7 - 03/27/09 at 20:13:07
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This variation is too dangerous for black. It is better and easier to play 6.--dxe5.

You can find 17.Nxf6 in an article about this variation some month ago.
  
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Re: Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ??
Reply #6 - 03/13/09 at 22:25:24
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Chwileulotne85 wrote on 03/13/09 at 22:06:16:
[The variation with 10.exf4 isn't refuted, but the move 14...Qb4 is refuted in my view.


This is a good lesson in the dangers of Queens munching b pawns  Smiley
  

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Re: Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ??
Reply #5 - 03/13/09 at 22:06:16
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MNb wrote on 03/13/09 at 20:58:47:
thibdb13 wrote on 03/13/09 at 13:22:03:
Time to go for 5...c5 instead of 0-0  Smiley


Really? Is 10...e4 (iso ...exf4) refuted as well then?


The variation with 10.exf4 isn't refuted, but the move 14...Qb4 is refuted in my view. Black should play 14...Nc6 or 14...Rd8(but then White can draw by perpetual)

10...e4 is much safer move for Black in spite of dangerous variation with 11. Ng5
  
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Re: Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ??
Reply #4 - 03/13/09 at 22:03:33
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Your 17. Nxf6 looks good!

Well 5. ...c5 doesn't exactly avoid this sort of mess after 6. e5

Black can always go for the de type ending if defensive calculation is your cup of tea after Nfd7, but I think Nbd7 is the best move objectively.

James' comment to 10. ...exf4!? seems rather approprate - "...this seems to be asking for trouble. It does appear to be playable, but not without diligent preparation!"

10. ...e4 looks the way to go.



  

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Re: Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ??
Reply #3 - 03/13/09 at 20:58:47
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thibdb13 wrote on 03/13/09 at 13:22:03:
Time to go for 5...c5 instead of 0-0  Smiley


Really? Is 10...e4 (iso ...exf4) refuted as well then?
  

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Re: Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ??
Reply #2 - 03/13/09 at 13:35:28
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I'm playing 5...c5 too  Wink but 5...0-0 was better suited to me.


Maybe in my previuos variation Black should have played 14...Nc6!? or even 14...Rd8 ,but it still seems hard nut to crack  Cool

  
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Re: Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ??
Reply #1 - 03/13/09 at 13:22:03
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Time to go for 5...c5 instead of 0-0  Smiley
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ??
03/13/09 at 11:26:13
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Hi everyone!

For some time I'm a chessmaniack:)

I have started to play my beloved Pirc/modern defence some time ago. I was going throught a many publications and books on it, and checking all variations of Pirc/modern.

When White starts Austrian Attack I play the line with 5...0-0. All the time i was playing the Joe Gallagher reccomended line(from starting out:pirc) with 10...exf4!?(1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5. Nf3 0-0 6. e5 Nfd7 7.h4 c5 8. h5 cxd4 9. Qxd4 dxe5 10. Qf2 exf4!? and then most knowing line is:
11. hxg6 hxg6 12. Qh4 Nf6 13. Bxf4 Qa5(in order to exchange Queens on h5) 14. Bb5!(blockade it) Qb4 15. a3 Qxb2 16. Nd5! Re8?? (he gives ! on this Black 16 move, but I realise that Black is almost
lost after this move 16! I don't find any good response to 16.Nd5!)





Joe Gallagher and James Vigus in The Pirc in Black and White recomended 16. Re8 ,but my analyse proved that after : 16. Nd5! Re8, White shouldn't play  17. Bxe8? as they recommended but the 17. Nxf6!!


and now everything is bad for Black!:
a)17...Bxf6?? 18. Qh7+ Kf8 19. Bh6+ Bg7 20. Qh8#
b)17...Kf8? 18. Nxe8 and Black is lost
c)17...Qxf6 18. Qh7+ Kf8 19. Bh6 and again Black is lost
d)17...exf6 18. Bxe8 Qxa1+ 19. Kf2 and:
 d1) 19...Qxa3 loses to 20. Qh7+ Kf8 21. Rd1! (the threat of Bd6 is deciding the game)
 d2)19...Qxh1 20. Qxh1 I White is simply winning


Summaring when I analysed this line with chess engine it couldnt' find the 17. Nxf6!! a couple moves earlier, so I'm proud of my discovery:)
I have hope that this move is my discovery, because I didn't find it in any database.
Has anyone some thoughts about my line of 17.Nxf6 ?

Greeting czessmaniacks

p.s. soory for my english. I'm still learning it:)

  
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