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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #84 - 07/08/10 at 17:07:57
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Yeah, I think this argument is totally ridiculous. The book is probably going to destroy any Najdorf book out there right now, fairly easily. Most of the other QC books have.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #83 - 07/08/10 at 17:05:55
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Ametanoitos wrote on 07/08/10 at 11:33:44:
As i see it now, the lines in the Bg5 chapter the book gives may be THE main lines for the years to come. The big heads are using frequently these lines now and as it happens all the time you follow what the big heads do as it goes with the fashion. So....


Yes, isn't one of the definitions of a "main line" whether the top players play them regularly?

Most of the arguments I've seen made against QC are rather picky and alot in number. Don't know why. The analysis in all the books I've gotten from them is quite high in quality.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #82 - 07/08/10 at 16:22:44
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Gorath wrote on 07/08/10 at 06:20:06:
Get over it. Quality Chess owes you nothing, not even an explanation. They publish a book and you can decide with your wallet, as every other potential customer. It's as simple as that.



Agree.  Enough whining already.   
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #81 - 07/08/10 at 11:33:44
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As i see it now, the lines in the Bg5 chapter the book gives may be THE main lines for the years to come. The big heads are using frequently these lines now and as it happens all the time you follow what the big heads do as it goes with the fashion. So....
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #80 - 07/08/10 at 07:02:52
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Gorath wrote on 07/08/10 at 06:20:06:
Get over it. Quality Chess owes you nothing, not even an explanation. They publish a book and you can decide with your wallet, as every other potential customer. It's as simple as that.


I guess you had nothing to say about my actual argument then.

Since the way QC advertises the GM repertoire series and the 6. Bg5 chapter of the book are in plain contradiction they owe everyone something. More so because if you don't read this thread you would not have a clue about the content of that chapter. I have already said this if the book was "Ftacnik on Najdorf" and QC did not claim that they are about the main lines only I would not have a problem.

Finally you realize that if we take your argument to its limit it would mean that onus is always on the buyer and one can not accuse anyone of fraud.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #79 - 07/08/10 at 06:43:40
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I think Quality Chess have contemplated the 6. Bg5 issue in question with extensive consideration. Perhaps they first desired to propose a repertoire with the Poisoned Pawn or the Old Main Line, but chose to include two other interesting lines. They are not main lines by orthodox definition of the phrase, but that is the only unorthodox main line response in the book. Perhaps there are practical reasons which will be addressed upon reading the book (assuming it is bought). The criticism seems to me extremely harsh. Quality Chess have never failed to produce the highest quality in opening books thus far, and it would be respectable to allot credit for such past and present accomplishments.
  

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Reply #78 - 07/08/10 at 06:20:06
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Get over it. Quality Chess owes you nothing, not even an explanation. They publish a book and you can decide with your wallet, as every other potential customer. It's as simple as that.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #77 - 07/08/10 at 03:17:57
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DavidT wrote on 07/08/10 at 01:52:25:
I think some of the comments about this book are a bit harsh. Ok, the two systems for Black against Bg5 cannot by any stretch of the imagination be regarded as "main lines", but that's not necessarily a bad thing.


I think they are not harsh enough. The entire premise of the book is based on using the main lines, the publisher's slogan is: "Tired of bad positions? Try the main lines!" and now against the "classic main line" they have picked two little known sidelines ...

DavidT wrote on 07/08/10 at 01:52:25:
The Poisoned Pawn and 'Main Line' systems are theoretically sounder, but Black has to memorise a massive amount just to survive the opening and then he'll probably get smashed up by a sac in the middlegame! 

I had hoped that Gelfand's interesting 7..Nbd7 line would have given some coverage, although I suppose 6..Nbd7 (which I know almost nothing about) might not be too dissimilar.


I am pretty sure all the GMs that continue to play the Najdorf do so without resorting to Ftacnik's side lines.  

DavidT wrote on 07/08/10 at 01:52:25:
Anyway, like most Najdorf players here, I'm eagerly looking foward to Ftacnik's effort. I can't imagine many better qualified authors to write a book on this opening and Quality Chess are currently my favourite publishers.


This shows the sad state of chess publishing these days.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #76 - 07/08/10 at 01:52:25
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I think some of the comments about this book are a bit harsh. Ok, the two systems for Black against Bg5 cannot by any stretch of the imagination be regarded as "main lines", but that's not necessarily a bad thing. 

Personally, I'm quite excited to see something a bit more fresh and original than is trotted out in the usual Najdorf repertoire books. 

What I didn't want to see is another book recommending the Poisoned Pawn variation, such as 'The Sharpest Sicilian', excellent though that was. Or yet another endorsement for the Qc7 variation, which has been covered in at least two books ('Play the Najdorf Scheveningen Style'  and 'Mastering the Sicilian Najdorf'). 

Coming up with a good line to recommend against Bg5 is extremely difficult. Black has quite a few systems to choose from but most are either dubious or impractical. For instance, I used to be a fan of the Polugaevsky Variation, but nowadays wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. 

The Poisoned Pawn and 'Main Line' systems are theoretically sounder, but Black has to memorise a massive amount just to survive the opening and then he'll probably get smashed up by a sac in the middlegame! 

I had hoped that Gelfand's interesting 7..Nbd7 line would have given some coverage, although I suppose 6..Nbd7 (which I know almost nothing about) might not be too dissimilar.  

Anyway, like most Najdorf players here, I'm eagerly looking foward to Ftacnik's effort. I can't imagine many better qualified authors to write a book on this opening and Quality Chess are currently my favourite publishers.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #75 - 07/07/10 at 21:34:26
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TonyRo wrote on 07/07/10 at 18:03:18:
It's not clear to me where you draw the line. At least for me, if I want to figure out what the main line is of any opening, I can simply just load Chessbase and keep clicking on whatever the most critical move seems to be. I mean, is the Najdorf not a main line? If the author has no leeway to pick what he wants within the confines of an opening, the book would be entirely too predictable, boring, and old within months. You never know, given how quickly theory moves here, Ftacnik's lines could come to the forefront after the book gets released, then you'll be holding the book that pioneered the way first! 

I tend to agree with you more about Avrukh's. He picked a sideline against the Semi-Slav and Slav that could have been switched out for something a little bit more mainstream, but you simply can't win them all.


Several points in reposnse to your post:

(1) The author should have a say but then QC should adjust their marketing campaign as well. If the book was called "Ftacnik on Najdorf" I would not complain but QC is publishing the book in "a new series of high quality chess books based on the main lines" and Ftacnik's choices against 6. Bg5 are not main lines by any stretch of imagination.

(2) You say had they picked the main lines the book would have been "too predictable, boring, and old within months." The chances that a minor sideline (like the ones Ftacnik recommends) gets refuted are a lot higher when compared to lines that have been tried by the very best players for the past 50 years. Also if you believe that picking sidelines is the way to go why then stop with 6. Bg5? You can apply the same logic to 6. Be3 or 6. Be2.

(3) There is no difference between Avrukh's choice against semi-Slav and Ftacnik's choice against 6. Bg5. Your defense of Ftacnik can be used for Avrukh and your criticism of Avrukh can be used against Ftacnik. In both cases the authors decided that picking a main line was too much work and chose a sideline as a convenient cop out. 

Finally I think QC has some explaining to do. If you look at the book page on their website, the table of contents (where they only give 6. Bg5 e6 in the chapter title) and read the excerpt (in the series foreword you can find gems like this: "It is our conviction that you will eventually be more successful by playing the main lines, simply because they are based on better moves. Instinctively most players know this, but they fear losing to a prepared line and thus turn to unambitious systems, or unhealthy surprises. The opponent will not be able to use his preparation but, sadly, will not need it. These sidelines generally end in uninspiring positions almost automatically.") you won't guess their choice against 6. Bg5. Had I bought the book and then realized this I would have been pretty angry.
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #74 - 07/07/10 at 19:46:04
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The Alapin chapter is titled Forrest Gump.  Hahahahahahahaha
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #73 - 07/07/10 at 18:03:18
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F22 wrote on 07/06/10 at 00:43:46:
IM Andrew Greet wrote on 07/06/10 at 00:07:46:
Against 6.Bg5 there is a chapter on 6...e6 7.f4 h6!?. Ftacnik did a lot of work on this and concluded that the line was underrated, and we agreed that it was interesting and good enough to include in the book. We do not claim to have analysed every possible option for White exhaustively, but all of the critical lines have been addressed. The other 6.Bg5 chapter focuses on the almost brand new plan of 6...Nbd7 7.f4 Qc7, intending 8.Qf3 h6 9.Bh4 g5!. This is a fresh and exciting new system and it just seemed like the perfect time to include it in this book.

Milen makes a fair point in saying that these options do not completely fit in with the 'Try the main lines' slogan. On the other hand, we have to give the author some leeway to express his own ideas and opinions. We checked the analysis rigorously and came up with some improvements where they were needed. Ultimately we would never publish something if we believed it to be in any way incorrect. The two anti-6.Bg5 systems are a little quirky but on the other hand they make for a refreshing change.


Milen is being generous, the two lines you have picked (6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 h6 and 6. Bg5 Nbd7 7. f4 Qc7) do not fit with your slogan anyway you cut it. This reminds me of the way Avrukh dealt with semi-Slav ...


It's not clear to me where you draw the line. At least for me, if I want to figure out what the main line is of any opening, I can simply just load Chessbase and keep clicking on whatever the most critical move seems to be. I mean, is the Najdorf not a main line? If the author has no leeway to pick what he wants within the confines of an opening, the book would be entirely too predictable, boring, and old within months. You never know, given how quickly theory moves here, Ftacnik's lines could come to the forefront after the book gets released, then you'll be holding the book that pioneered the way first! 

I tend to agree with you more about Avrukh's. He picked a sideline against the Semi-Slav and Slav that could have been switched out for something a little bit more mainstream, but you simply can't win them all.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #72 - 07/07/10 at 17:36:05
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will this book will have some similarities with his dvd on the schev?  since some variations inter lap sometimes.
  
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Reply #71 - 07/06/10 at 00:43:46
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IM Andrew Greet wrote on 07/06/10 at 00:07:46:
Against 6.Bg5 there is a chapter on 6...e6 7.f4 h6!?. Ftacnik did a lot of work on this and concluded that the line was underrated, and we agreed that it was interesting and good enough to include in the book. We do not claim to have analysed every possible option for White exhaustively, but all of the critical lines have been addressed. The other 6.Bg5 chapter focuses on the almost brand new plan of 6...Nbd7 7.f4 Qc7, intending 8.Qf3 h6 9.Bh4 g5!. This is a fresh and exciting new system and it just seemed like the perfect time to include it in this book.

Milen makes a fair point in saying that these options do not completely fit in with the 'Try the main lines' slogan. On the other hand, we have to give the author some leeway to express his own ideas and opinions. We checked the analysis rigorously and came up with some improvements where they were needed. Ultimately we would never publish something if we believed it to be in any way incorrect. The two anti-6.Bg5 systems are a little quirky but on the other hand they make for a refreshing change.


Milen is being generous, the two lines you have picked (6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 h6 and 6. Bg5 Nbd7 7. f4 Qc7) do not fit with your slogan anyway you cut it. This reminds me of the way Avrukh dealt with semi-Slav ...
  
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Reply #70 - 07/06/10 at 00:07:46
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About the excerpt - it is there to give prospective readers a sample of the layout and style of writing to enable them to make a more informed judgement about whether or not they wish to invest in the book. The one we provided serves this purpose perfectly well.

Against 6.Bg5 there is a chapter on 6...e6 7.f4 h6!?. Ftacnik did a lot of work on this and concluded that the line was underrated, and we agreed that it was interesting and good enough to include in the book. We do not claim to have analysed every possible option for White exhaustively, but all of the critical lines have been addressed.
The other 6.Bg5 chapter focuses on the almost brand new plan of 6...Nbd7 7.f4 Qc7, intending 8.Qf3 h6 9.Bh4 g5!. This is a fresh and exciting new system and it just seemed like the perfect time to include it in this book.

Milen makes a fair point in saying that these options do not completely fit in with the 'Try the main lines' slogan. On the other hand, we have to give the author some leeway to express his own ideas and opinions. We checked the analysis rigorously and came up with some improvements where they were needed. Ultimately we would never publish something if we believed it to be in any way incorrect. The two anti-6.Bg5 systems are a little quirky but on the other hand they make for a refreshing change.
  
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