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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #39 - 06/12/10 at 02:32:18
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tracke wrote on 05/20/10 at 15:54:30:
If you look at older sources from 1940-1970 then  5...a6 6.Be2 e5 is "the one and only and real Najdorf Sicilian". 
And 6.Bc4 and 6.Bg5 are "Anti-Najdorf lines".

Even in this sense 6.Bg5 e6 is more Najdorf than Scheveningen because in the Scheveningen move order 6.Bg5 is supoptimal and doesn´t occur often, probably because of an early h6 when often Bg5-h4 is bad for tactical reasons (Nf6xe4!)

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Where can one find these sources from the 40s? I'd be interested in seeing them.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #38 - 06/01/10 at 14:12:49
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Any more news on GM6 Najdorf yet?
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #37 - 05/21/10 at 01:58:55
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 05/20/10 at 14:36:47:
The Najdorf/Scheveningen move order names are only for certain lines. The move 6...e5 is 'Najdorf' for the White replies: 6. Bc4 (Sozin), ......


All books I know - I admit that they are older than 10 years - regard  2...d6/5...a6 6.Bc4 e6 as a subsystem of the Najdorf. The Sozin is 2...d6/5...Nc6 6.Bc4.
Of course the two can transpose, but in the Najdorf-Sozin - many prefer to call it the Fischer Attack - Black postpones ...Nc6 a bit.
Btw the sequence 5...a6 6.Be2 e6 is older than 5...a6 6.Be2 e5. Old sources also quite often mention the name Opocensky. So historical arguments only add to the confusion, as usual. For instance Pachmann (only a little younger than Najdorf and Opo) only calls 5...a6 6.Be2 e6 a Scheveningen if Black plays an early ...Nc6.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #36 - 05/20/10 at 15:54:30
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If you look at older sources from 1940-1970 then  5...a6 6.Be2 e5 is "the one and only and real Najdorf Sicilian". 
And 6.Bc4 and 6.Bg5 are "Anti-Najdorf lines".

Even in this sense 6.Bg5 e6 is more Najdorf than Scheveningen because in the Scheveningen move order 6.Bg5 is supoptimal and doesn´t occur often, probably because of an early h6 when often Bg5-h4 is bad for tactical reasons (Nf6xe4!)

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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #35 - 05/20/10 at 14:36:47
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ChevyBanginStyle wrote on 05/20/10 at 14:29:50:
Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 05/20/10 at 13:32:00:
To be honest, 6...e6 is not even Najdorf. It's a Scheveningen achieved via a Najdorf move order with the sole intention of avoiding the dreaded Keres Attack (5...e6 6. g4!). 6...e5 is Miguel Najdorf's move and pure Najdorf. I think if you want a Najdorf book, then it must be 6...e5. If you want a Najdorf book that plays the Najdorf move order with 5...a6 and then transpose to a Schevenigen, that book should be either Scheveningen or Najdorf-Schevenigen hybrid, at best, such as Emms' Play the Najdorf Scheveningen Style. A Najdorf book should contain the Najdorf move 6...e5.


Aren't these notions of rigid opening classification a bit outdated in 2010? I'd say it's highly unusual to play the Najdorf without Scheveningen structures. Who calls 6.Bg5 e6 a Scheveningen anyway?


The Najdorf/Scheveningen move order names are only for certain lines. The move 6...e5 is 'Najdorf' for the White replies: 6. Bc4 (Sozin), 6. Be3/6.f3 (English Attack), 6. g3 (Fianchetto), 6. Be2 (Classical), and 6. f4. Against all other replies, including 6. Bg5 e6, 6. h3, 6. Rg1, etc., 6...e5 and 6...e6 there is usually no formal classification for the moves, although it can be said that 6...e5 is the "Najdorf" styled reply and 6...e6 the Scheveningen styled reply.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #34 - 05/20/10 at 14:32:52
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Alias wrote on 05/20/10 at 14:13:01:
Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 05/20/10 at 13:32:00:
To be honest, 6...e6 is not even Najdorf. It's a Scheveningen achieved via a Najdorf move order with the sole intention of avoiding the dreaded Keres Attack (5...e6 6. g4!). 6...e5 is Miguel Najdorf's move and pure Najdorf. I think if you want a Najdorf book, then it must be 6...e5. If you want a Najdorf book that plays the Najdorf move order with 5...a6 and then transpose to a Schevenigen, that book should be either Scheveningen or Najdorf-Schevenigen hybrid, at best, such as Emms' Play the Najdorf Scheveningen Style. A Najdorf book should contain the Najdorf move 6...e5.


The book is called "The Sicilian Defence". The name Najdorf is not mentioned. I think the purpose is to have a good repertoire. Doesn't matter if it's a Najdorf or Scheveningen repertoire. The choice between e6 and e5 isn't obvious as mentioned in "The Sharpest Sicilian".


On Quality Chess, the product description states,

"Lubomir Ftacnik is a renowned opening analyst with great experience and expertise in the Sicilian Defense. In this book he reveals his secrets to provide a complete repertoire for Black against 1.e4 with 1...c5. The meat of the repertoire is the Sicilian Najdorf – the perennial favourite of those who want to attack with Black. It is no coincidence that Fischer, Kasparov and Anand have all relied on the Najdorf. Naturally, White’s less critical tries are also covered, such as the 2.c3, 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+, and the Closed Sicilian."

Since the 'meat' of the book is Sicilian Najdorf, I should hope 6...e5 is covered.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #33 - 05/20/10 at 14:29:50
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 05/20/10 at 13:32:00:
To be honest, 6...e6 is not even Najdorf. It's a Scheveningen achieved via a Najdorf move order with the sole intention of avoiding the dreaded Keres Attack (5...e6 6. g4!). 6...e5 is Miguel Najdorf's move and pure Najdorf. I think if you want a Najdorf book, then it must be 6...e5. If you want a Najdorf book that plays the Najdorf move order with 5...a6 and then transpose to a Schevenigen, that book should be either Scheveningen or Najdorf-Schevenigen hybrid, at best, such as Emms' Play the Najdorf Scheveningen Style. A Najdorf book should contain the Najdorf move 6...e5.


Aren't these notions of rigid opening classification a bit outdated in 2010? I'd say it's highly unusual to play the Najdorf without Scheveningen structures. Who calls 6.Bg5 e6 a Scheveningen anyway?
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #32 - 05/20/10 at 14:25:02
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See Andrew Greet's comment above. [/quote]

Yeah have done but no mention of what is recommended against 6.f4, 6.Be2, 6.g3 etc.

The problem is apart from Emms "Play the Najdorf Scheveningen Style"  and "Starting out the Scheveningen" by Pritchett there is little out there on the Scheveningen, compared to the reams of stuff (and stuff to come it seems ) on the Najdorf.

  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #31 - 05/20/10 at 14:13:01
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 05/20/10 at 13:32:00:
To be honest, 6...e6 is not even Najdorf. It's a Scheveningen achieved via a Najdorf move order with the sole intention of avoiding the dreaded Keres Attack (5...e6 6. g4!). 6...e5 is Miguel Najdorf's move and pure Najdorf. I think if you want a Najdorf book, then it must be 6...e5. If you want a Najdorf book that plays the Najdorf move order with 5...a6 and then transpose to a Schevenigen, that book should be either Scheveningen or Najdorf-Schevenigen hybrid, at best, such as Emms' Play the Najdorf Scheveningen Style. A Najdorf book should contain the Najdorf move 6...e5.


The book is called "The Sicilian Defence". The name Najdorf is not mentioned. I think the purpose is to have a good repertoire. Doesn't matter if it's a Najdorf or Scheveningen repertoire. The choice between e6 and e5 isn't obvious as mentioned in "The Sharpest Sicilian".
  
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Reply #30 - 05/20/10 at 13:32:00
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To be honest, 6...e6 is not even Najdorf. It's a Scheveningen achieved via a Najdorf move order with the sole intention of avoiding the dreaded Keres Attack (5...e6 6. g4!). 6...e5 is Miguel Najdorf's move and pure Najdorf. I think if you want a Najdorf book, then it must be 6...e5. If you want a Najdorf book that plays the Najdorf move order with 5...a6 and then transpose to a Schevenigen, that book should be either Scheveningen or Najdorf-Schevenigen hybrid, at best, such as Emms' Play the Najdorf Scheveningen Style. A Najdorf book should contain the Najdorf move 6...e5.
  
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Reply #29 - 05/20/10 at 13:20:12
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najdorfslayer wrote on 05/20/10 at 11:26:22:
I'm interested whether GM 6 will cover 6...e6 or 6...e5 in the systems where white does not play 6.Bc4 or 6.Bg5.

But it seems to me that there is a big selection of books on 6...e5 systems including 3 recent ones

Starting out the Sicilian Najdorf
The Sharpest Sicilian
Mastering the Najdorf

Also there are two more to follow

Pallisers Attacking Chess : Sicilian Najdorf and Rizzitano's Play the Najdorf

Surley it is a complete nonsense for yet ANOTHER book be devoted to 6...e5 sytems when ones on 6...e6 are SO lacking!


See Andrew Greet's comment above.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #28 - 05/20/10 at 11:26:22
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I'm interested whether GM 6 will cover 6...e6 or 6...e5 in the systems where white does not play 6.Bc4 or 6.Bg5.

But it seems to me that there is a big selection of books on 6...e5 systems including 3 recent ones

Starting out the Sicilian Najdorf
The Sharpest Sicilian
Mastering the Najdorf

Also there are two more to follow

Pallisers Attacking Chess : Sicilian Najdorf and Rizzitano's Play the Najdorf

Surley it is a complete nonsense for yet ANOTHER book be devoted to 6...e5 sytems when ones on 6...e6 are SO lacking!
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #27 - 05/17/10 at 18:37:43
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I expect another "moby dick-book" [what´s the correct expression Shocked], that I buy with the intention to work it though from the beginning to the end, but I guess it will end as a dust catcher.  Wink
  
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Reply #26 - 05/17/10 at 02:45:04
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Sexytimes! This book is absolutely on my list of must-buys.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #25 - 05/16/10 at 21:36:48
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A quick update: I am in the process of editing this book myself. There are a few chapters remaining, and I am hopeful that we are still on course for publication towards the end of June.

Regarding repertoire choices, in certain critical variations Ftacnik has provided coverage of two different systems for Black. For instance, after 6.Be3 there are chapters on both 6...e6 and 6...e5. In other cases, for instance the 6.Bc4 line, he has covered one system (6...e6 7.Bb3 b5) but provided more than one option in the sharpest lines so the reader can choose the one he prefers.

I'll post another update when the book is finished.
  
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