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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #99 - 07/15/10 at 04:54:01
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F22 wrote on 07/15/10 at 04:23:36:
Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 07/15/10 at 03:04:02:
I think the entire opinion about GM6 not being main line has converted into an unjustified, overlooked argument. The Grandmaster Repertoire series indicates that the purpose of the books is to provide the reader with a sturdy repertoire based on the 'main lines'. It did not say it recommended the very main lines of the main lines. The Najdorf Sicilian in itself is a main line. The O'Kelly Sicilian is not a main line. Whatever lines chosen by Ftacnik within the Najdorf Sicilian complex are by definition main lines regardless of their popularity or acknowledgement since they are just variations of a main line opening...


This is such a crappy argument I have a hard time even laughing at it. By your logic anyone who writes a repertoire book on Najdorf can claim he/she is advocating the main lines regardless of the content. 

QC does not need shills first of all the QC people are here and they can post. Secondly I am the first to admit that they are the best chess publishing company around and my problem with them has been about the marketing of GM6.


In sincere honesty, yes, it can be interpreted that the Grandmaster Repertoire series advocates a main line opening system (Najdorf, Catalan, English, Grünfeld, etc.) and those are by definition undoubtedly main line opening complexes. Some of the content of the books may not be the main lines of the main lines, viz. Avrukh's proposition of the 4. e3 against the Slav Defence instead of the 4. Nc3 "main line of the main line" system. I do not know exactly what QC mean with the phrase "main lines"; rather, I am merely speculating or trying to formulate an explanation.

I would also appreciate if you at least display some respect to other users' thoughts.
  

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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #98 - 07/15/10 at 04:23:36
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 07/15/10 at 03:04:02:
I think the entire opinion about GM6 not being main line has converted into an unjustified, overlooked argument. The Grandmaster Repertoire series indicates that the purpose of the books is to provide the reader with a sturdy repertoire based on the 'main lines'. It did not say it recommended the very main lines of the main lines. The Najdorf Sicilian in itself is a main line. The O'Kelly Sicilian is not a main line. Whatever lines chosen by Ftacnik within the Najdorf Sicilian complex are by definition main lines regardless of their popularity or acknowledgement since they are just variations of a main line opening...


This is such a crappy argument I have a hard time even laughing at it. By your logic anyone who writes a repertoire book on Najdorf can claim he/she is advocating the main lines regardless of the content. 

QC does not need shills first of all the QC people are here and they can post. Secondly I am the first to admit that they are the best chess publishing company around and my problem with them has been about the marketing of GM6.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #97 - 07/15/10 at 03:04:02
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I think the entire opinion about GM6 not being main line has converted into an unjustified, overlooked argument. The Grandmaster Repertoire series indicates that the purpose of the books is to provide the reader with a sturdy repertoire based on the 'main lines'. It did not say it recommended the very main lines of the main lines. The Najdorf Sicilian in itself is a main line. The O'Kelly Sicilian is not a main line. Whatever lines chosen by Ftacnik within the Najdorf Sicilian complex are by definition main lines regardless of their popularity or acknowledgement since they are just variations of a main line opening...
  

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Reply #96 - 07/09/10 at 19:32:33
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great, now we can judge the book for ourselves.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #95 - 07/09/10 at 12:33:23
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Chazy wrote on 07/09/10 at 10:52:04:
Chess_Addict wrote on 07/09/10 at 09:58:07:
btw... is there an exact publishing date yet?


Here the quote from Aagaard "GM6 is ready the 16th of July to shipping to the shops. We will ship it from our office the 20th, the shops will have it 1-2 days later."



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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #94 - 07/09/10 at 10:52:04
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Chess_Addict wrote on 07/09/10 at 09:58:07:
btw... is there an exact publishing date yet?


Here the quote from Aagaard "GM6 is ready the 16th of July to shipping to the shops. We will ship it from our office the 20th, the shops will have it 1-2 days later."
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #93 - 07/09/10 at 09:58:07
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btw... is there an exact publishing date yet?
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #92 - 07/09/10 at 04:14:43
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Papageno wrote on 07/08/10 at 21:35:14:
@F22 and others. My question is: Which "main line" did you want to see in the book?

In my opinion, the Poisoned Pawn had been the very main line of the 6.Bg5 Najdorf for decades. However, this old line suffered heavy blows in the past years and e.g. the Repertoire book Georgiev: The Sharpest Sicilian removed it after the first edition and went on to recommend a side line. The reason is that 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 9. Rb1 Qa3 10. e5 dxe5 11. fxe5 Nfd7 12. Ne4 h6 13. Bh4 Qxa2 14. Rd1 etc scores terribly bad for Black. 

Thus, an increasing number of GMs is working on new lines and quite a few of them have more than only one defense against 6.Bg5 in their repertoire. Just to be not too predictable...

* Is the Polugaevsky a "main line"? I'd doubt it very much.
* 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Nbd7 8. Qf3 Qc7 9. O-O-O b5 10. Bd3 Bb7 11. Rhe1 Qb6 still looks playable to me. But would you call this a definite main line?
* 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6 gxf6 9. Qd2 Well, perhaps playable, but not so much to my taste.


Several points:

(1) How is the poisoned pawn in bad shape? That is news to me.

(2) You say 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6 gxf6 9. Qd2 is not to your taste. But that is not the issue here, the question is whether the line in question is one of the main branches or not. 

(3) Finally you left out the 'main line' of the 'classic main line': 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Be7 8. Qf3 Qc7 9. O-O-O Nbd7
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #91 - 07/09/10 at 03:55:13
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MNb wrote on 07/08/10 at 19:56:00:
F22 wrote on 07/08/10 at 03:17:57:
The entire premise of the book is based on using the main lines, the publisher's slogan is: "Tired of bad positions? Try the main lines!" and now against the "classic main line" they have picked two little known sidelines ....

This is an argument. Now the question is if Ftacnik's choices are mainlines or sidelines. As I recently already got flamed when rising this issue I don't feel like getting involved here, so I won't develop an opinion now.
I do think though F22's argument makes a case against chess advertising, not against the book itself.
Just my two SRD.


Thank you. I have already said if the book was titled "Ftacnik on Najdorf" I would have no problems with it. Also another point is that if you don't read this thread there is no way in the world that you would guess the choices against 6. Bg5.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #90 - 07/08/10 at 22:26:53
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Well, there is of course what could be called the traditional main line, 6...e6 7. f4 Be7 8. Qf3 Qc7 9. 0-0-0 Nbd7, which as far as I know is in theoretically good shape.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #89 - 07/08/10 at 21:35:14
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@F22 and others. My question is: Which "main line" did you want to see in the book?

In my opinion, the Poisoned Pawn had been the very main line of the 6.Bg5 Najdorf for decades. However, this old line suffered heavy blows in the past years and e.g. the Repertoire book Georgiev: The Sharpest Sicilian removed it after the first edition and went on to recommend a side line. The reason is that 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 9. Rb1 Qa3 10. e5 dxe5 11. fxe5 Nfd7 12. Ne4 h6 13. Bh4 Qxa2 14. Rd1 etc scores terribly bad for Black. 

Thus, an increasing number of GMs is working on new lines and quite a few of them have more than only one defense against 6.Bg5 in their repertoire. Just to be not too predictable...

* Is the Polugaevsky a "main line"? I'd doubt it very much.
* 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Nbd7 8. Qf3 Qc7 9. O-O-O b5 10. Bd3 Bb7 11. Rhe1 Qb6 still looks playable to me. But would you call this a definite main line?
* 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6 gxf6 9. Qd2 Well, perhaps playable, but not so much to my taste.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #88 - 07/08/10 at 19:56:00
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F22 wrote on 07/08/10 at 03:17:57:
The entire premise of the book is based on using the main lines, the publisher's slogan is: "Tired of bad positions? Try the main lines!" and now against the "classic main line" they have picked two little known sidelines ....

This is an argument. Now the question is if Ftacnik's choices are mainlines or sidelines. As I recently already got flamed when rising this issue I don't feel like getting involved here, so I won't develop an opinion now.
I do think though F22's argument makes a case against chess advertising, not against the book itself.
Just my two SRD.
  

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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #87 - 07/08/10 at 19:51:42
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F22 wrote on 07/08/10 at 07:02:52:

I guess you had nothing to say about my actual argument then.[...]

You don't have an argument. You're just nitpicking. The whole Najdorf is a main line, as opposed to for example the SI O'Kelly or the SI Grivas. Many world class players have it in their repertoire.
QC hired an expert GM with decades of experience in these structures to write a repertoire book. Of course Ftacnik had to choose from a large variety of available options, and pragmatism or lack of space may have been points to consider.
You don't like some of his choices? That's life. There is no such thing as one perfect product for a relatively heterogeneous target audience.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #86 - 07/08/10 at 19:15:48
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Seth_Xoma wrote on 07/08/10 at 17:05:55:
Ametanoitos wrote on 07/08/10 at 11:33:44:
As i see it now, the lines in the Bg5 chapter the book gives may be THE main lines for the years to come. The big heads are using frequently these lines now and as it happens all the time you follow what the big heads do as it goes with the fashion. So....


Yes, isn't one of the definitions of a "main line" whether the top players play them regularly?

Most of the arguments I've seen made against QC are rather picky and alot in number. Don't know why. The analysis in all the books I've gotten from them is quite high in quality.

I have witnessed this as well. Many complaining about QC not covering this or that line, that the analysis could have been improved upon at move 23 in an unforced line, etc. I do not believe it is QC's fault as they produce works that are of yet the highest quality, and are undoubtedly human. QC are excellent but not perfect. No publisher is perfect.
  

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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire Najdorf sicilian
Reply #85 - 07/08/10 at 17:12:09
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its QC, their quality is very good, unless something strange happen.  i say let the free market decide.  btw main lines come and go, especially in the Najdorf.  besides i always wondered why h6 was hardly ever played.  maybe it was just fashion.  as long as its different than his cd.  i will look at the reviews too.
  
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