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Re: Zaitsev 12.a4 (and Smysov 9...h6)
Reply #4 - 01/12/12 at 06:46:16
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jarechu wrote on 03/26/09 at 18:11:42:
Please! post in pgn notation if you want people to help you easily and to avoid errors in the notation (look at move 11 of your post)

Like Matemax said "The Ruy Lopez: A Guide for Black" will help you a lot.

It seems there is no way to punish 19.Nh2 move order, but you can transpose to the main lines as you did.

You reached a good position but with a few bad moves your position was lost:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3
O-O 9. h3 Bb7 10. d4 Re8 11. Ng5 Rf8 12. Nf3 h6 13. Nbd2 Re8 14. a4 Bf8 15. Bc2
exd4 16. cxd4 Nb4 17. Bb1 c5 18. d5 Nd7 19. Nh2 f5 20. Ra3 Nf6 21. Rg3 Qe7 22.
e5 f4 23. Rg6 dxe5 24. Ne4 Nxe4 25. Bxe4 Qf7 ({Rybka 3 Human 1-cpu 32-bit
Analysis:} 25... Rad8 26. Ng4 Kh8 27. d6 Bxe4 28. dxe7 Rxd1 29. exf8=Q+ Rxf8
30. Rxd1 Bxg6 31. axb5 Bc2 32. Rd6 axb5 33. Nxe5 Kh7 34. Bd2 Rf5 {-0.58/11})
26. Qh5 Bc8 ({Rybka 3 Human 1-cpu 32-bit Analysis:} 26... Bxd5 27. Ng4 Kh8 28.
Rd1 Bb3 29. Bxa8 Rxa8 {1.69/12}) 27. Nf3 Ra7 28. Qxh6 Bd6 29. Ng5 *


After 25... Qf7 the problems started.


25 ... Rad8 does not work either. 26. Qh5 Nxd5 27. Ng4 looks uncomfortable for Black. (see below)
I think the quite logical 24 ... Nbxd5 equalizes though.  25. Nxf6 Nxf6 26. Ng4 Nxg4 27. Qxg4 Bc8 28. Qf3 Bb7

As far as punishing the move order is concerned. 17 (in your count 19) ... c4 looks fine (Nd4 is not possible). After 17.Ra3 c4 18. Nh2 is hardly the most critical reply.


  
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Re: Zaitsev 12.a4 (and Smysov 9...h6)
Reply #3 - 03/26/09 at 18:11:42
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Please! post in pgn notation if you want people to help you easily and to avoid errors in the notation (look at move 11 of your post)

Like Matemax said "The Ruy Lopez: A Guide for Black" will help you a lot.

It seems there is no way to punish 19.Nh2 move order, but you can transpose to the main lines as you did.

You reached a good position but with a few bad moves your position was lost:

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "57"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3
O-O 9. h3 Bb7 10. d4 Re8 11. Ng5 Rf8 12. Nf3 h6 13. Nbd2 Re8 14. a4 Bf8 15. Bc2
exd4 16. cxd4 Nb4 17. Bb1 c5 18. d5 Nd7 19. Nh2 f5 20. Ra3 Nf6 21. Rg3 Qe7 22.
e5 f4 23. Rg6 dxe5 24. Ne4 Nxe4 25. Bxe4 Qf7 ({Rybka 3 Human 1-cpu 32-bit
Analysis:} 25... Rad8 26. Ng4 Kh8 27. d6 Bxe4 28. dxe7 Rxd1 29. exf8=Q+ Rxf8
30. Rxd1 Bxg6 31. axb5 Bc2 32. Rd6 axb5 33. Nxe5 Kh7 34. Bd2 Rf5 {-0.58/11})
26. Qh5 Bc8 ({Rybka 3 Human 1-cpu 32-bit Analysis:} 26... Bxd5 27. Ng4 Kh8 28.
Rd1 Bb3 29. Bxa8 Rxa8 {1.69/12}) 27. Nf3 Ra7 28. Qxh6 Bd6 29. Ng5 *


After 25... Qf7 the problems started.
  
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Re: Zaitsev 12.a4 (and Smysov 9...h6)
Reply #2 - 03/25/09 at 14:23:20
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17...c4 has been playedy by Kasimjanov and Moro recently and appears to hold up ! 
The Ruy Lopez book referred to earlier should shed light on many of your queries
  
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Re: Zaitsev 12.a4 (and Smysov 9...h6)
Reply #1 - 03/25/09 at 11:55:53
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Looks like you should buy "The Ruy Lopez: A Guide for Black" - this will answer all your questions.
  
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Zaitsev 12.a4 (and Smysov 9...h6)
03/25/09 at 11:44:19
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Hello! 

I have some questions about the Zaitsev and the Smyslov 9...h6. 
I am a weak player, 
nethertheless I will start with a game 
I played recently as White: 

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 
6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.h3 Bb7 10.d4 Re8 

and now 

11. Ng5 Re8 
12. Nf3 h6 
13. Nbd2 Re8 
14. a4  Bf8 
15. Bc2 exd4 
16. cxd4 Nb4 
17. Bb1 c5 
18. d5 Nd7 
19. Nh2 f5 
20. Ra3 Nf6 
21. Rg3 Qe7 
22. e5 f4 
23. Rg6 dxe5
24. Ne4 Nxe4 
25. Bxe4 Qf7 
26. Qh5 Bc8 
27. Nf3 Ra7 
28. Qxh6 Bd6 
29. Ng5 
1-0 


Now I have a lot of questions: 

1) 22.e5: I found this over the board. What do You think is its 
practical and theoretical value? 
Is there a clear solution for Black? 


2) 19.Nh2: What is Black's best to punish this moveorder? 

3) 14.a4 ... What is the current status of this line. 

4) a4 is the most critical line of the Zaitsev, 
nowadays it is very modern to shy away from the critical lines, 
so maybe a4 is reasonable even for a 1900+ player, 
because Black has not so much opportunity to play this line over the board.  

5) 12...h6 enters the Smyslov-system. Can Black prevent 
White from transposing back into Zaitsev after 12...h6? 
If not a4 could be a timesaver on the learning front for 
White?!  

6) What do you think of 12...Qd7? 

7) 11. Ng5: Do you believe the "threat" of an immediate draw gives 
White a small psychological plus?  

8) Why does Black play ...h6 relatively early in most 
Zaitsev games? This looks a bit inconsequent to me. 

9) What do you think of 9...Qd7? 

Thank you
  
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