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Reply #43 - 05/14/09 at 16:37:03
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I had the Yusupov book for a short while.  Unfortunately it was one of those that came and went from my collection without ever being subjected to serious scrutiny.  I'm not saying it actually frightened me, but it was daunting seeing it up there on the shelf in my bedroom.  Not only did the enormity of what it represented - a world class player's ideal of opening study - disturb me, but the thought did cross my mind that if an intruder were to wield it as a weapon I might be killed outright by a single blow.

Marin's two books on the open games were enthusiastically received, with the main caveat being the format.  If the criticism of the layout of those books is anything to go by most readers would find the old-fashioned opening encyclopedia approach of the Yusupov book absolutely infuriating.  From the perspective of a 2100-2200 tournament player who resorts to the Petroff only occasionally, like myself, this massive tome was of very little practical use, but I dare say that someone who intended to specialize in the Petroff or play it in correspondence would find it invaluable.  

 The Raetsky & Chetverik book is an atypically comprehensive Everyman edition, granted, but it would have to be for it to be worthwhile, as the Petroff is played most intensively at the higher levels.  It goes without saying that it compares favourably with the Lalic book on the Marshall Attack, a similarly awkward subject.

 I've never had a problem with the format or the analysis, in fact it's one of the most reliable and easily navigable reference works I have, and unlike the Yusupov book I can take it out on the train without fear of discomforting the person next to me.  The Chessville reviewer suggests your average player would glean more from consulting a database; well, if  so, then a bit of expositionary prose at the start of each chapter isn't going to make that much of a difference if ideas are discernable from the games themselves.  

 Different people want different things, and honestly speaking it's as hard for me to gauge the usefulness of that book to an improving 1600 as it would be to a 2500, despite the fact that, whilst I was once 1600, I will never be 2500.  'Starting out: the Petroff' must be a more likely prospect than 'Play the Petroff' - it's not an opening that would readily lend itself to such a project.
  
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Reply #42 - 05/14/09 at 14:21:57
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Isn't the Mount Everest about 5 miles high either? Quite a distance.
  

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Reply #41 - 05/14/09 at 12:56:41
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@Scott:  Great!  It does seem like it's time to study some chess theory, then.  The Petroff's a good choice.

I've been to Laurel, but only once.  When I was living in Biloxi, in the 1970's, anything north of D'Iberville was considered rather foreign.  One of my native friends took exception to some neighbors of ours talking to me about what "we do around here." "Around here?!" she cried.  "They ain't from around here!  They're from Saucier!"  Right, about five miles north of Gulfport on Highway 49. 
  

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Reply #40 - 05/14/09 at 03:19:49
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I'm actually playing well above a Class D level now. I went for a while where most of my chess activity was more study and less playing. I spent time doing puzzles and studying tactics. I did a lot of study in Silman's Endgame book and his "How to Reassess Your Chess," as well as Laszlo Polgar's puzzle and combination book. When I started playing more games on Chessmaster again, after a while my play started to improve drastically. I went from being level with 1400-rated personalities to beating 1600-1700's pretty quickly when I started gaining ground, and I've actually been playing even better than that recently. The last 2-3 months have been very good to me. I'm seeing the board in a whole new way than I used to. I give a lot of credit to the study (particularly "Reassess"), but a lot of it is also the fact that I spend a lot more time thinking about my moves than I used to. I used to think for a few seconds, move, then spot my mistake afterwards. I've greatly cut down on my mistakes in the last couple of months. I do still need some more endgame work, though. I make more mistakes there than anywhere else. Sad

Anyway, that was long. I do appreciate your wanting to help. I'm always grateful for help.

I live near Laurel. Not too far from Biloxi... Just a couple of hours.  Smiley

  

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Reply #39 - 05/13/09 at 16:00:11
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Well a Class D player has better things to do with his chess time than read chess psychology books or, for that matter, study openings theory very deeply.  He should just play chess every chance he gets and spend most of the rest of his time working on tactics.  He should perhaps look at a good middlegame book or an elementary endings book like Averbach's.  He should study the openings only to the extent that it actually helps him to win his games.  

I apologize that this is somewhat offtopic, and if it results in yet another chess coaching debate I'll come back and clean it up.  But a surprising number of improving players pay way too much attention to theory, in my view.

Where in Mississippi?  I lived in Biloxi for eight years.
  

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Reply #38 - 05/13/09 at 00:43:16
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Roger Williamson wrote on 05/11/09 at 14:19:33:
 How many books does a chess player need?  As many as he can buy...


I like that, too.  Wink  My chess library is constantly expanding.  Smiley

I'll check into that book some more. That particular review was a bit intimidating. I've been playing much, much better recently than I did a few months ago (actually, a few classes better). Despite that, I can't seem to get out of the Class D mindset that is scared by deep books and calculations even though I'm getting to the point that I can start to understand them. Any recommendations for a good chess psychology book to help that?
  

My style is somewhere between that of Petrosian and Tal.
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Reply #37 - 05/12/09 at 18:46:57
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Btw, what is your opinion about the Yusupov's book about Petroff? I s it something like his Chess Inormant Monographs but with more explanations or it is a really good work even somehow outdated.
  
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Reply #36 - 05/12/09 at 17:34:05
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Roger Williamson wrote on 05/11/09 at 14:19:33:

 How many books does a chess player need?  As many as he can buy...



Grin  Yes indeed!!!
  
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Reply #35 - 05/11/09 at 14:19:33
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The Raetsky and Chetverik book is good.  You either want to play the Petroff or you don't.  Any exposition a 'starting out: the Petroff' might provide is as nothing compared to what you'd gain from actually reading Raetsky.  The man knows the Petroff, plays the Petroff, and even covers wacky sidelines in which he played the important theoretical games.

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Reply #34 - 05/11/09 at 02:11:26
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I'll have to check into the Yusopov book. It doesn't seem like the Raetsky/Chetverik would be a very gentle introduction. Maybe Everyman will put out a "Starting Out" book.
  

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Reply #33 - 05/08/09 at 08:59:11
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[quote author=burnage link=1240252068/30#30 date=1240935692]I am amazed no one has yet commented on the Leko double crush of the Petroff in 4th FIDE Grand Prix Nalchik.

Well first Gelfand did repair his opening in a later round and drew comfortably -
As for Kasim's line i don't think it's that significant that he lost - he went a bit passive but nonetheless credit to leko for 2 well played games (learning from Kramnik>)

Bacrot won a nice game with 3d4 as well
  
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Reply #32 - 05/08/09 at 06:31:05
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Scott wrote on 05/08/09 at 04:02:37:
If I may go back to the question of books, does anyone here have the book by Alex Raetsky and Maxim Chetverik on the Petroff? Is it any good? I'm considering it, but I want to get some feedback first. (There's only one review on Amazon right now.)


Try this, Scott; http://www.chessville.com/reviews/PetroffDefence.htm

Incidentally, there is some brief but fundamental repertoire coverage of the Petroff in Yusupov's second volume of his middlegame series for club players - http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/products/2/42/build_up_your_chess_2__artur_yusupov...

I have the Yusupov book and like it very much.
  
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Reply #31 - 05/08/09 at 04:02:37
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If I may go back to the question of books, does anyone here have the book by Alex Raetsky and Maxim Chetverik on the Petroff? Is it any good? I'm considering it, but I want to get some feedback first. (There's only one review on Amazon right now.)
  

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Reply #30 - 04/28/09 at 16:21:32
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I am amazed no one has yet commented on the Leko double crush of the Petroff in 4th FIDE Grand Prix Nalchik.

[Event "4th FIDE Grand Prix"]
[Site "Nalchik RUS"]
[Date "2009.04.26"]
[Round "10"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Peter Leko"]
[Black "Boris Gelfand"]
[ECO "C42"]
[WhiteElo "2751"]
[BlackElo "2733"]
[PlyCount "85"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. d4 d5 6. Bd3 Nc6
7. O-O Be7 8. Re1 Bg4 9. c4 Nf6 10. Nc3 Bxf3 11. Qxf3 Nxd4
12. Qd1 Ne6 13. cxd5 Nxd5 14. Bb5+ c6 15. Nxd5 cxb5 16. Qb3
O-O 17. Be3 Bc5 18. Rad1 Bxe3 19. Rxe3 Novelty Qa5 20. Qc2 Rfe8 21. f4
b4 22. f5 Nf8 23. Red3 Nd7 24. Qc7 Qc5+ 25. Kf1 Qb5 26. Qg3
Ne5 27. f6 g6 28. Qg5 Kh8 29. Qh6 Rg8 30. Nc7 Qc4 31. b3 Qg4
32. Rd4 Qf5+ 33. Rf4 Ng4 34. Qg7+ Rxg7 35. fxg7+ Kxg7 36. Rxf5
gxf5 37. Nxa8 Ne3+ 38. Ke2 Nxd1 39. Kxd1 Kf6 40. Kd2 Ke5
41. Nc7 f4 42. Kd3 a6 43. Na8 1-0

[Event "4th FIDE Grand Prix"]
[Site "Nalchik RUS"]
[Date "2009.04.28"]
[Round "12"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Peter Leko"]
[Black "Rustam Kasimdzhanov"]
[ECO "C42"]
[WhiteElo "2751"]
[BlackElo "2695"]
[PlyCount "85"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. d4 d5 6. Bd3 Nc6
7. O-O Be7 8. Nc3 Nxc3 9. bxc3 Bg4 10. Re1 0-0 11. Bf4 Bd6
12. Bxd6 Bxf3 13. Qxf3 Qxd6 14. Re3 Rae8 15. Rae1 Rxe3 16. Rxe3 g6 17. h4 Nb8 (novelty) 18. h5 Nd7 19. g4 Nf6 20. h6 Kh8 21. Re5 c6 22. c4 Ng8 23. Qe3 dxc4 24. Bxc4 g5 25. Rxg5 Nxh6 26. Qe4 f6 27. Rh5 f5 28. gxf5 Nxf5? 29. Be6 Qxd4 30. Rxh7+ 1-0
  
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Reply #29 - 04/25/09 at 06:39:32
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Kramnik has a lot to answer for as he has provided an even bigger obstacle to 1 e4 players than the Berlin.  I'd suggest going either 3 d4 ne4 4bd3 d5 5 de or 3 nf3 d6 4 nf3 nxe4 5 nc3 if only because these positions have a bit more life in them. 

If you know your opponent is a die hard Petroff man you could do worse than play 2 f4 or 2 bc4
  
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