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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #15 - 04/28/09 at 15:43:40
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thibdb13 wrote on 04/28/09 at 15:34:17:
bragesjo wrote on 04/27/09 at 21:29:49:
is Chinese realy playable agianst 10 Bb3? Simply leaving the king in the middle and play moves like g4 and Bh6. Shure Khalifman recommends that white castles long (since he incorrectly thought he had a refutation)  after both 10 .. Rb8 and 10 .. Na5 but there are better moves.

If white does not castle long, I presume Rc8 should be the right move, maybe with the idea of a thematical exchange offer on c3. To be honest, I thought that it would not be so good for white not to castle (long), because of his rooks not being connected and short castling does not seem to be in the spirit of the Yugoslav attack.


In this position after 10 Bb3 black is at a crossroad. If black plays Rc8 white should castle long but if black plays for example Na5
than g4 is stronger than in a similar position (in standard position the knight is a e5) since there is less presurare at f3. All highlevel games I have found where either white wins or white got a better position.

Also playing chinese agianst uncastled king gives black less play since the b8 riook mihgt be out of place
  
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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #14 - 04/28/09 at 15:34:17
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bragesjo wrote on 04/27/09 at 21:29:49:
is Chinese realy playable agianst 10 Bb3? Simply leaving the king in the middle and play moves like g4 and Bh6. Shure Khalifman recommends that white castles long (since he incorrectly thought he had a refutation)  after both 10 .. Rb8 and 10 .. Na5 but there are better moves.

If white does not castle long, I presume Rc8 should be the right move, maybe with the idea of a thematical exchange offer on c3. To be honest, I thought that it would not be so good for white not to castle (long), because of his rooks not being connected and short castling does not seem to be in the spirit of the Yugoslav attack.
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #13 - 04/28/09 at 15:26:48
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thibdb13 wrote on 04/27/09 at 11:41:33:
I would go for the chinese dragon. Lot's of players at 1800-1900 play g4 after Rb8 and some even take the pawn at b5
1.e4-c5 2.Nf3-d6 3.d4-cd4 4.Nd4-Nf6 5.Nc3-g6 6.Be3-Bg7 7.f3-Nc6 8.Qd2-Bd7 9.Bc4-00 10.000-Rb8 11.g4-b5 12.Bb5-Ne5 (with very bad intentions such as Nxf3 and play along the a1-h8 diagonal)


12. Bb5? Ne5?? is returning white the favor
12. Bb5? Nxd4! is correct


Yes, of course, Nxd4 is the right move.
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #12 - 04/27/09 at 21:29:49
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is Chinese realy playable agianst 10 Bb3? Simply leaving the king in the middle and play moves like g4 and Bh6. Shure Khalifman recommends that white castles long (since he incorrectly thought he had a refutation)  after both 10 .. Rb8 and 10 .. Na5 but there are better moves.
  
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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #11 - 04/27/09 at 18:38:13
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thibdb13 wrote on 04/27/09 at 11:41:33:
I would go for the chinese dragon. Lot's of players at 1800-1900 play g4 after Rb8 and some even take the pawn at b5
1.e4-c5 2.Nf3-d6 3.d4-cd4 4.Nd4-Nf6 5.Nc3-g6 6.Be3-Bg7 7.f3-Nc6 8.Qd2-Bd7 9.Bc4-00 10.000-Rb8 11.g4-b5 12.Bb5-Ne5 (with very bad intentions such as Nxf3 and play along the a1-h8 diagonal)


12. Bb5? Ne5?? is returning white the favor
12. Bb5? Nxd4! is correct

  
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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #10 - 04/27/09 at 11:41:33
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I would go for the chinese dragon. Lot's of players at 1800-1900 play g4 after Rb8 and some even take the pawn at b5
1.e4-c5 2.Nf3-d6 3.d4-cd4 4.Nd4-Nf6 5.Nc3-g6 6.Be3-Bg7 7.f3-Nc6 8.Qd2-Bd7 9.Bc4-00 10.000-Rb8 11.g4-b5 12.Bb5-Ne5 (with very bad intentions such as Nxf3 and play along the a1-h8 diagonal)
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #9 - 04/23/09 at 07:03:49
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flaviddude wrote on 04/22/09 at 08:07:06:
there is one line that would confuse white no end.

1.e4 c5
2.Nf3 d6
3.d4 cxd
4.Nxd4 Nf6
5 Nc3 g6
6.Be3 Nc6
7.f3 Nd7  white can keep a slight edge with 8.Bb5 but against other moves black is O.K. Have a look at Larsen Ivkov played about 1960.

Thanks for that David. Hadnt seen that one before.
Here it is:
http://chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1062922
  
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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #8 - 04/23/09 at 01:24:46
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With this move order you better watch out for 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.e5 and White can keep more than a slight edge.
  

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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #7 - 04/22/09 at 17:24:55
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flaviddude wrote on 04/22/09 at 08:07:06:
there is one line that would confuse white no end.

1.e4 c5
2.Nf3 d6
3.d4 cxd
4.Nxd4 Nf6
5 Nc3 g6
6.Be3 Nc6
7.f3 Nd7  white can keep a slight edge with 8.Bb5 but against other moves black is O.K. Have a look at Larsen Ivkov played about 1960.

I like this.Can you more tell me about this variant?
  
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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #6 - 04/22/09 at 10:49:21
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dragonman wrote on 04/21/09 at 17:01:55:
Hello, do you know any trick in dragon against 1800-2000 rating people?I dont want go to difficult positions  so meybe you can help me.
Thanks!

Accelerate! For example, 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 Bg7 6.Be3 Nf6 7.f3 0-0 8.Qd2 d5!
                         or 7.Be2 0-0 8.0-0 d5!
At 1800-2000 level you'll get to play this quite often (at higher levels you'll meet the Maroczy more often).
  
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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #5 - 04/22/09 at 08:07:06
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there is one line that would confuse white no end.

1.e4 c5
2.Nf3 d6
3.d4 cxd
4.Nxd4 Nf6
5 Nc3 g6
6.Be3 Nc6
7.f3 Nd7  white can keep a slight edge with 8.Bb5 but against other moves black is O.K. Have a look at Larsen Ivkov played about 1960.
  

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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #4 - 04/21/09 at 22:48:19
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12...a5!? is discussed briefly in this thread (and probably elsewhere here)  http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1219942585

Another very interesting idea that may still have a lot of surprise value is 12...Nc4 13.Bxc4 Rxc4 14.g4 b5 15.b3 b4!? which can be found in these two threads: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1215191864/0#0

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1231499842 (this latter thread discusses a low theory Dragon repertoire)

Regarding the 15...b4 move it's seems I remember bragesjo finding something better for White in one of the lines (possible discussed in the thread about "Opening for White according to Anand") but I'm not sure.
  
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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #3 - 04/21/09 at 22:07:16
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I'm looking for black variant where I can get good position if white dont know theory.I know that my opponents are playing 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8.Qd2 Nc6 9.Bc4 Bd7 10.Bb3 Rc8 11.0-0-0 Ne5 12.Kb1..here what I should play?a6 and Re8 I dont want play becouse I see is difficult position for black.Meybe 12...a5?

I'm still learning english so sorry if dont understood me Smiley
  
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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #2 - 04/21/09 at 19:20:28
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Can you describe in more detail what you're looking for?  For Black or White for instance?
  
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Re: trick in dragon
Reply #1 - 04/21/09 at 17:21:46
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Well, I seem to recall Duncan Suttles saying "the idea in chess is to trick the opponent," but I don't think you should take that too literally.
  
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