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Re: Kings Gambit Curiosity
Reply #6 - 05/09/09 at 15:13:49
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I analysed the Allgaier and Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit along with MNb sometime early on last year.  The conclusion we reached was that the "pure" Allgaier isn't quite sound, leading to unclear positions but with some advantage for Black, but it is far from clear that Black can obtain any advantage against the Hamppe-Allgaier.   We found a number of improvements over Tim Harding's analysis which led to positions that were very hard to assess.

The Pierce Gambit is, in my opinion, close to being busted.  Tim Harding claims a draw for White in his main line (9.Be3!) but I think Black can improve on Tim's analysis.

Therefore, I think after 3.Nc3 exf4, the H-A-G is probably the way to go for White.
  
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Re: Kings Gambit Curiosity
Reply #5 - 05/09/09 at 12:55:56
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CheckMate wrote on 05/06/09 at 18:24:10:
It's the Adelaide counter gambit.
The problem is that White can play 3. Nc3 upon which Black has no better move than ... exf4 which leads to the Pierce gambit.

Actually, I swore I would not get involved with a Markovich contolled forum again but I really have to challenge this. Nothing better after 1.e4 e5 2.f4 Nc6 3.Nc3 than to play 3…exf4 and to play into the Pierce Gambit? 
The ‘nothing better’ comment, I take it stems from the universal opinion that to decline it 3…Bc5?! leads to a poor King’s Gambit declined because of the move order allowing 4.Nf3 d6 5.Bb5! (The Complete Vienna. Tseitlen/Glaskov)? The thing is Gary Lane in his book “Vienna Game” tends to suggest that a counter pin with 5…Bg4! offers Black some chances in the position. Mr. Lane cites 6.Na4! Bb6 7.Nxb6 axb6 8.d3 exf4 9.0–0 Nf6 10.h3 Bxf3 11.Qxf3 g5 12.Bxf4 gxf4 13.Qxf4 Rg8 14.Qxf6 Qxf6 15.Rxf6 Ke7 16.Raf1 from the game Vegh-Noordhoeck , Seville 1993 where white had a pawn and the intiative. But even there, why 6…Bb6 if Black was willing to try the “Aderlaide Counter Gambit” then what about 6…Nge7!?. Indeed, Huber in his chessbase CD states that after 7.fxe5 0-0 8.exd6 is + over = but Blacks initative was not quite enough in the game Rudolf-Pacovsky 1999. But if you check that game out surely 8…Bxd6 is a far better try.
Also so if you throw 3…Bc5?! aside, you have 3…Bb4!?. Check out The Kenilworth Chess Club web page, under the title “My Anti-Pierce Defense” by Michael Goeller. This move is not mentioned by either Tseitlen & Glaskov or Lane and is only mentioned in passing in foot notes in ECO vol C 1981 (as + over =). So all in all, ‘nothing better’ is not altogther accurate
And as for the Pierce Gambit. I am no expert but hasn’t that been more or less buggered by 7…Nxd4 in the main line? Why is it that the Hamppe Allgaier Gambit 3…exf4 4.Nf3 g5 5.h4 g4 6.Ng5!? is still considered so unplayable despite all of the practical results?
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I'm reminded again of something Short wrote recently, approximately "The biggest fallacy in chess is the quasi-religious belief in the primacy of the opening."
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Re: Kings Gambit Curiosity
Reply #4 - 05/06/09 at 20:15:59
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And of course Thomas Johansson spends 7 pages on 2...Nc6/3...f5 in his excellent The Fascinating King's Gambit.
  

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Re: Kings Gambit Curiosity
Reply #3 - 05/06/09 at 18:24:10
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It's the Adelaide counter gambit.
The problem is that White can play 3. Nc3 upon which Black has no better move than ... exf4 which leads to the Pierce gambit.

  
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Re: Kings Gambit Curiosity
Reply #2 - 05/06/09 at 05:05:39
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Jormechea wrote on 05/05/09 at 16:01:11:
I am looking for an interesting line against the kings gambit. While going through chesslive.de I came across this one.

1.e4 e5 2.f4 Nc6 3.Nf3 f5!?

Has any one here played this and do you like the positions that arise from the position? 

Any feed back would be great.

Thank you


I have a copy of th original article if you want send me your email and I can send it to you
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I'm reminded again of something Short wrote recently, approximately "The biggest fallacy in chess is the quasi-religious belief in the primacy of the opening."
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Re: Kings Gambit Curiosity
Reply #1 - 05/05/09 at 16:47:02
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C30: Kings Gambit Curiosity
05/05/09 at 16:01:11
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I am looking for an interesting line against the kings gambit. While going through chesslive.de I came across this one.

1.e4 e5 2.f4 Nc6 3.Nf3 f5!?

Has any one here played this and do you like the positions that arise from the position? 

Any feed back would be great.

Thank you

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