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Re: CHESS STARS new KID book for BLACK
Reply #170 - 08/26/09 at 16:57:06
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In my copy of Bologan's book (no, it's not that there are any pages missing), chapter 9 is divided into B1) and B2) at the top level. Any ideas what happened to a possible section A)?
  
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Reply #169 - 08/26/09 at 15:45:49
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Thanks for sharing your observations whether improvements or hints to missed (or just not discussed) lines. Especially Bologan's line from "chapter 18a" looks more than suspucious to me in the light of your analysis in #163.

In general, it would be a good idea not to follow too closely the recommendations of a repertoire book. E.g. I played twice this year with black pieces against IMs who simply followed the Avrukh book against my preferred Queen's gambit line. In one of the games I had anticipated this and outprepared my opponent (and Avrukh) successfully. – The very same goes here: As a white player 2009 I want to be prepared against Bologan's recommentations in the first place.

About the Seirawan system: I'm not that much afraid of 10. Kh1 and Atalik's 12th move alternatives. BTW, I noticed Atalik himself switched to 10. a4 in 2007, although he was thinking very positive of 10. Kh1 in his annotations of 2003. – For me, there is still an open question in this system: How would you repond to 14. Nd4N in Drozdovskij,Y-Efimenko,Z (page 120)? Play could become quite sharp after say 14. Nd4 Qh4 15. Ncb5 f4.

In the exchange line, 16.Rd1! Be6 17.f3! Rac8 18. Ne3 h6 19. Bh4 Na4 would be pretty much o.k. for Black I'd say.


  
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Re: CHESS STARS new KID book for BLACK
Reply #168 - 08/26/09 at 01:20:01
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Leningrad Dragon wrote on 08/23/09 at 16:36:51:
Hope they also correct the coverage of the Sämisch, at least in the 6Be3 c5 7dc dc 8Qd8 Rd8 9Bc5 Nc6 10Nge2 Nd7 11Be3 Nde5 12Nf4 Nb4 13Kf2 Be6 14Ncd5 Bd5 of Gunawan-Gelfand, 1986 and now instead of the game continuation (15Nd5?!), the line suggested in the Cherniaev/Prokuronov book about the Sämisch with 15cd5 or in the NIC Yearbook 86 article by Miedema with 15ed5 (seemed even better), both of them seems to give white the better prospects (black have insufficient compensation for the pawn).


Doesn't the game Wang Yue-Radjabov, Fide GP Sochi 2008 annotaded by Ftacnik in CBM 126 solves Black's problems? After 10...b6 11.Ba3 a5 12.Rd1 Bb7 13.Nf4 Nb4!? or even 13...e3 is equal according to Ftacnik and 13.Nc1 Nb4 14.Bd3 Bh6! gives Black fantastic compensation!

Also after 10...Nd7 11.Be3 Nde5 12.Nf4 Na5!? seems fine for Black. I don't like at all this variation for White. Over the board it is difficult to keep control of the Black dynamic potential.
  
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Reply #167 - 08/25/09 at 14:31:46
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I received the book today and i have made some observations.

First of all i don't like the reccomendations against the Smyslov system with Nf3 and Bg5. In CBM 126 there all a lot or reccomendations for White which are not dealt by Bologan. I'll stick to my practical a6+c6+b5 approach which has served me weel in two games so far (both against Bg5 and Bf4 variations)

I also don't like his reccomendation against the Seirawan system (Bd3 and Nge2). In page 119 after 10.Kh1! the line given is 10...f5 11.exf5 gxf5 12.Ng3 but 12.Ng1! and 12.f4!? are given us += by Atalik. But to be fair he has given a second reccomedation in this line based in some games of the KID guru Kotronias which looks OK although there are some improvements found by GM Nikolaidis and are mentioned in Golubev's book (the only complete KID book given in bibliography!) but not mentioned by Bologan.

Also the exchange variation's coverage although it is impresive there are things that are not mentioned. For example 15.Nc4 Bf8 16.Rd1! Be6 17.f3! see page 217 (Grivas). In my opinion there is a much more safe solution for Black 13...Na6!

The Averbakh's coverage could be better (for example there are some nice Dzindzi's ideas here!) but in page 134 the great move 16...Qh8! not mentioned by Flear in DW turns completelly the tables and gives nice compensation to Black.

Further observations will come.....
  
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Reply #166 - 08/23/09 at 23:21:14
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Papageno wrote on 08/23/09 at 18:11:28:
When analysing the line 9...Nh5! 10.O-O Bxc3 11. bxc3, did you prefer 11... f5 or 11... Nxg7 ?


Just 11...f5. Looking at the old notes now i see another viable option for Black (and i was amazed when i checked the variations with Rybka now, where we thought it was "=" Rybka says "=+"!). It is 9...Bf5! 10.O-O Ne4! and not ...Re8. Also the ...Qd7 idea mentioned by kylemeister is given as the main reccomendation in Golubev's book but Taylor gives convincing analysis claiming slightly better chances for White.

I would now vote for 9...Nh5 or the slightly more ambitious 9...Bf5+10...Ne4 (and if 10.Nh4?? Nxd5 ofcourse!)
  
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Reply #165 - 08/23/09 at 19:48:30
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12...Qd7 (instead of 12...Ne4, in the 9...a6 line) would be normal without ..a6 and a4, but it seems that the inclusion of those moves would be hurting Black greatly.
  
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Reply #164 - 08/23/09 at 18:11:28
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It was very bad news to hear about your coach dying too early. We read about the tragic event at Acropolis tournament.

When analysing the line 9...Nh5! 10.O-O Bxc3 11. bxc3, did you prefer 11... f5 or 11... Nxg7 ?

I'm interested in that because I have sweet memories of the latter move Nxg7 when at some point I felt I was able to refute Chess encyclopedia's judgement of "compensation" (for white) with the help of a very early chess program Psion2@Intel286. It was a corr game where I played the black pieces. Well, it must have been rather some 20 yrs ago...
  
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Re: CHESS STARS new KID book for BLACK
Reply #163 - 08/23/09 at 17:33:26
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To be honest i am very much dissapointed from this update. Sad

After 9...a6 ofcourse 10.a4! should be played and after 10...Bf5 11.O-O Re8 12.Bd3 Ne4?! (12...Qd7 must be somewhat better but still with a slight disadvantage) 13.Nxe4 Bxe4 14.Bxe4 Rxe4 and when i was studying this position with the help of my honorouble coach (who died tragically during the first round of the Acropolis Open at 10th of August from a heart attack just one move before he would force the resignation of IM Zoler  Cry) my coach was a bit concerned by the move 15.f5! Also GM Golubev gives a line in a similar position in his book: 15.Ng5 Rxc4 16.Qd3! (and not 16.Qe2 as given in the update) 16...Rd4 (or 15...Rb4) 17.Qh3! h6 18.Nxf7!

My coach was a specialist in the KID from both sides and he had the 4 pawns attack as his main weapon. He didn't like this variation for White because of the variation 9...Nh5! 10.O-O Bxc3 or 10.Bd2 Bd4!. So to honour him i will trust his reccomendation and not the one given in the update.
  
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Re: CHESS STARS new KID book for BLACK
Reply #162 - 08/23/09 at 16:36:51
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Very well done by author and publisher!

Hope they also correct the coverage of the Sämisch, at least in the 6Be3 c5 7dc dc 8Qd8 Rd8 9Bc5 Nc6 10Nge2 Nd7 11Be3 Nde5 12Nf4 Nb4 13Kf2 Be6 14Ncd5 Bd5 of Gunawan-Gelfand, 1986 and now instead of the game continuation (15Nd5?!), the line suggested in the Cherniaev/Prokuronov book about the Sämisch with 15cd5 or in the NIC Yearbook 86 article by Miedema with 15ed5 (seemed even better), both of them seems to give white the better prospects (black have insufficient compensation for the pawn).
  
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Reply #161 - 08/23/09 at 15:13:49
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Re: CHESS STARS new KID book for BLACK
Reply #160 - 08/23/09 at 10:02:19
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Just found a new "Chapter 18a" by Bologan (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f4 0–0 6.Nf3 c5 7.d5 e6 8.Be2 exd5 9.exd5 which is not covered in the book) at the chess-stars.com site as a free download. Written August 2009.

Edit: See direct link in next posting. (I hope it lasts over time.)
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Re: CHESS STARS new KID book for BLACK
Reply #159 - 08/21/09 at 17:03:26
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Well yes - the chess content of the book is probably very good (we (!?) have to assume that Bologan checked at least the lines).

It's a good book but it could be an excellent one.

This is a serious mistake from the publisher:
customers are not satisfied in the long run with good products, they (we!? I!?) want excellent ones!

Chesspub is excellent therefore I pay for it - if it would become mediocre I would say bye bye..
  
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Re: CHESS STARS new KID book for BLACK
Reply #158 - 08/21/09 at 16:44:31
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boki wrote on 08/21/09 at 10:27:51:
The most important think is the quality of the book, isn´t it? Wink


You're absolutely right. Why don't we quit this odd looking peculiarity and skip to the meat: what you guys think, how is Gallagher's proposed repertoire for Black in his book "Play the KID" "dancing" with recent developments, and especially with the one which Bologan preaches in his book?

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  
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Reply #157 - 08/21/09 at 11:51:40
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Paddy wrote on 08/21/09 at 09:25:59:
Keano wrote on 08/21/09 at 07:53:53:
I disagree with that Paddy - I would much prefer the translation of GM Ermenkov to some "professional" translator who would not understand the chess meanings and be trying to translate everything literally. Strangely enough I find the English (for example in the Anand series) as quite enjoyable, and it captures the spirit of the positions.


Hmm, can you quote an example of the sort ot "professionally translated" chess text you claim to dislike?

In fact most publishing houses tend to use professional translators (and editors) who specialize in chess (and are themselves fairly strong players), and in general I find the results greatly preferable to Ermenkov's work.


Agree with Paddy all the way. There are plenty of decent chess players who make good translators. Examples abound I am sure (chess players are often adept at languages it seems) but just some English names I know off the top of my head: JN Sugden, Phil Adams, Laurence Webb, Steve Giddens.

Why have a chess player with such limited language skills or a translator with no chess skills?
  
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Re: CHESS STARS new KID book for BLACK
Reply #156 - 08/21/09 at 10:27:51
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@Markovich
At least in german he always uses "we", I donot know how it is translated in his english books

regarding the translations, for example the first edition Vol 1 of My great predecedors by Kasparov was translated by a "professional translator" and was simply horrible (something like horse instead of knight and so on)
generaly I think that for opening books it is ok if it is translated by  a non-english speaker. The most important think is the quality of the book, isn´t it? Wink
  
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