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Re: Davies vs Kosten
Reply #14 - 06/13/09 at 19:43:24
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I have both The Dynamic Reti and The Dynamic English and I think they're equally good.  If you want a very slightly updated video version of the Davies book with an English move order and a few different lines you can also consider his Chessbase English Opening DVD.
  
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Re: Davies vs Kosten
Reply #13 - 05/27/09 at 22:01:04
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@ JohnathanB thanks for your thoughts on this...  So you don't like the gambits given in the book??  Like the one vs the slav?  I thought I would add the Catalan and something else vs KID or Grunfeld.  what are your ideas vs the Catalan??
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Re: Davies vs Kosten
Reply #12 - 05/27/09 at 20:12:27
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I would like to recommend davies book for what it is : a fine orientation for starters. Of course flank openings are a vast swamp of variations, and you will definitely have to find your own path eventually, but (to maintain the metafor) you will not go astray and drown when using this book as your first guide.
  
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Re: Davies vs Kosten
Reply #11 - 05/27/09 at 10:48:10
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JonathanB wrote on 05/27/09 at 08:09:22:
Zatara wrote on 05/26/09 at 20:04:56:

1. what to play vs Grunfeld and KID if I play 1Nf3?   Is the Fianchetto KID that much better than B4 and how Reti used to play vs KID ...?


I just totally failed to get on with that early b2-b4 stuff.  Since switching to g2-g3 set-ups my rating performance against KID from 1. Nf3 has nearly doubled.  Matter of taste what you play against KID from the Reti.  You've got a pretty full choice of transpositions - aside from the Samisch I suppose.

In answer to the original question I'd say Davies' Reti book is pretty ordinary.  To steal somebody else's line about something else entirely ...

Davies' book on the Reti is like Hershey's chocolate.  Perfectly acceptable if you haven't tried Swiss chocolate but not as good as it could (or arguably should) be.

I found the chapter on 1. ... d5, 2. ... e6 set-ups the most helpful, the chapter on 1. ... d5, 2. ... dxc4 rather dubious and I don't like the anti-KID chapter at all (see above).  The 1. Nf3 c5, 2. c4 chapters I found a useful introduction to those lines - although I'm far from an expert so I wouldn't trust my judgement about how comprehensive the coverage is if I were you.

4. ... dxc4 also fails to cover the ... Qd5 set-ups but as I'm not sure that they'd become popular when the book was written so that's fair enough.

I've never read Kosten's English book so can't comment on it but I've never heard anybody rave about Davies' book on the Reti like plenty of people do about Tony's book.


Of course, Davies' book is pretty much you're only choice if you want a book on the Reti.


Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Davies book is quite average but seems to me Reti is a transpositional opening and so a lot of it is down to a matter of taste.
  
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Re: Davies vs Kosten
Reply #10 - 05/27/09 at 08:09:22
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Zatara wrote on 05/26/09 at 20:04:56:

1. what to play vs Grunfeld and KID if I play 1Nf3?   Is the Fianchetto KID that much better than B4 and how Reti used to play vs KID ...?


I just totally failed to get on with that early b2-b4 stuff.  Since switching to g2-g3 set-ups my rating performance against KID from 1. Nf3 has nearly doubled.  Matter of taste what you play against KID from the Reti.  You've got a pretty full choice of transpositions - aside from the Samisch I suppose.

In answer to the original question I'd say Davies' Reti book is pretty ordinary.  To steal somebody else's line about something else entirely ...

Davies' book on the Reti is like Hershey's chocolate.  Perfectly acceptable if you haven't tried Swiss chocolate but not as good as it could (or arguably should) be.

I found the chapter on 1. ... d5, 2. ... e6 set-ups the most helpful, the chapter on 1. ... d5, 2. ... dxc4 rather dubious and I don't like the anti-KID chapter at all (see above).  The 1. Nf3 c5, 2. c4 chapters I found a useful introduction to those lines - although I'm far from an expert so I wouldn't trust my judgement about how comprehensive the coverage is if I were you.

4. ... dxc4 also fails to cover the ... Qd5 set-ups but as I'm not sure that they'd become popular when the book was written so that's fair enough.

I've never read Kosten's English book so can't comment on it but I've never heard anybody rave about Davies' book on the Reti like plenty of people do about Tony's book.


Of course, Davies' book is pretty much you're only choice if you want a book on the Reti.
  

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Re: Davies vs Kosten
Reply #9 - 05/27/09 at 00:10:42
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Zatara wrote on 05/26/09 at 20:04:56:
Hi 
1. what to play vs Grunfeld and KID if I play 1Nf3?

You should definitely check out Rowson's April Flank Openings update! Wink
  
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Re: Davies vs Kosten
Reply #8 - 05/26/09 at 20:10:00
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Zatara wrote on 05/26/09 at 20:04:56:
Hi Everyone!  thanks for all your input especially, as usual, special thank you to TN!! 
1. what to play vs Grunfeld and KID if I play 1Nf3?   Is the Fianchetto KID that much better than B4 and how Reti used to play vs KID?  Or should one really go into the Bayonet?
thanks,
Zatara


I'd advise the 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Qa4+ route against the Grunfeld (or even 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. Qa4+ is worth consideration, it is easier to play/more English like). So far I'm +2 -0 =0 in tournament play, one win being against just a 1900, the other against FM Garrett.

I recommend finding a main line KID you like as white. I'm a fan of 7. Be3, but I also have a liking for 9. Ne1 in the old main line, using the early g4 ideas (or the ideas as seen in Ivanchuk-Cheparinov, 2008).
  

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Re: Davies vs Kosten
Reply #7 - 05/26/09 at 20:04:56
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Hi Everyone!  thanks for all your input especially, as usual, special thank you to TN!! 
1. what to play vs Grunfeld and KID if I play 1Nf3?   Is the Fianchetto KID that much better than B4 and how Reti used to play vs KID?  Or should one really go into the Bayonet?
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Re: Davies vs Kosten
Reply #6 - 05/26/09 at 07:37:30
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Tony's book on the english was a classic. The dangerous weapons book contains some useful material. But you might want to consider waiting for Marin's books on the English to come out. If you want to use the Reti move order- Kramnik's opening repertoire for white by Khalifman may prove useful.
  
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Re: Davies vs Kosten
Reply #5 - 05/26/09 at 00:59:32
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Novosibirsk wrote on 05/25/09 at 21:13:05:

Tony.... You are probably asked already more than 1000 times to update this book. Any chance of having it updated ? Or has it stood the test of time ?

No, I don't think it will be updated by me, but I did write half of the DW - Flank book just recently.
Has it stood the test of time? Well, some bits have, and I still play lots of lines that I recommended in the book. (Not sure that in itself is such a good advert, though!)
  
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Re: Davies vs Kosten
Reply #4 - 05/25/09 at 21:13:05
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 05/25/09 at 10:39:24:
The Dynamic English is very old now! Wink


Tony.... You are probably asked already more than 1000 times to update this book. Any chance of having it updated ? Or has it stood the test of time ?
  

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Re: Davies vs Kosten
Reply #3 - 05/25/09 at 11:03:15
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 05/25/09 at 10:39:24:
The Dynamic English is very old now! Wink


you do know you have a guaranteed bestseller (chessbookwise) on your hands if you'd ever revised this book  Grin


  
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Re: Davies vs Kosten
Reply #2 - 05/25/09 at 10:39:24
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The Dynamic English is very old now! Wink
  
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Re: Davies vs Kosten
Reply #1 - 05/25/09 at 06:48:37
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1. In my opinion they are theoretically equal in value, but I think it is slightly easier to win with the Reti/English against a strong player, provided that you are equally adept in both openings. The Catalan is a good example of an opening where it is fairly easy to achieve a small positional advantage, but converting it into realistic winning chances requires precise play, unless of course your opponent makes a serious tactical or positional error. 

2. They are both quite positional, but given the choice I would say the Reti/English because the typical positions appear more complex. 

If I were in your shoes, I would choose the English via. a 1.Nf3 move order because it is less work than the Catalan, several of your opponents will not be well prepared for it, and it offers reasonable chances of an advantage.
  

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Davies vs Kosten
05/25/09 at 03:15:24
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I am looking for a repertoire to go with my 1.e4 repertoire.  I am thinking between Davies book on the Dynamic Reti or Kosten's book on the English called the Dynamic english.  Or is the catalan with Davies catalan book and Avuhk's book a better bet?
1. which one is theoretically stronger?
2. which is sharper
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