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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
Reply #18 - 11/13/15 at 19:47:29
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Glenn Snow wrote on 04/13/15 at 02:20:25:
Carpathian Warrior 2 is rather the opposite of the Henley books.  It is sparse on language and follows the tree of variations format.  I haven't compared the analysis yet but if I ever get around to it I'll post my views.  (Of course the other nice thing about Carpathian Warrior is that you also get chapters on other openings.)


Glenn, could you tell us if the Carpathian Warrior is worth buying or it's better to stick to Henley's book(s) when wondering about playing "Dzindzi". 
What do you think about 1. d4 g6 2. c4 Bg7 3. e4 d6 4. Nc3 f5 line? It's the Dutch Leningrad where Black allowed e4.
  
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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
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Carpathian Warrior 2 is rather the opposite of the Henley books.  It is sparse on language and follows the tree of variations format.  I haven't compared the analysis yet but if I ever get around to it I'll post my views.  (Of course the other nice thing about Carpathian Warrior is that you also get chapters on other openings.)
  
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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
Reply #16 - 04/02/15 at 23:49:01
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TonyRo wrote on 04/02/15 at 18:38:12:
Glenn - do you think Henley's books or Carpathian Warrior 2 are worth picking up? I realized that with the Modern and Leningrad in my repertoire, it might be fun to simply add the Dzindzi-Indian into my repertoire for variety and some fun!


The Carpathian Warrior 2 still hasn't arrived yet, although it should be any day now.  The Henley books have a lot of information in them and the price has come down a lot since he published them.  Almost too much material really.  One streamlined book could have been made in fewer pages than one of the books that still showed the best lines for Black.  If you like a lot of game examples with annotations then you might like this format.
  
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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
Reply #15 - 04/02/15 at 18:38:12
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Glenn - do you think Henley's books or Carpathian Warrior 2 are worth picking up? I realized that with the Modern and Leningrad in my repertoire, it might be fun to simply add the Dzindzi-Indian into my repertoire for variety and some fun!
  
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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
Reply #14 - 03/19/15 at 18:50:42
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I went ahead and ordered Carpathian Warrior 2 although it was written before the Henley books.  I'm not at home now so I can't check to see if it's listed in the bibliography.  For the record, I was wrong about Henley not publishing a book on what to do if White avoids the Dzindzi Indian ("The Chaos Counter Attack" - Carpathian Warrior).  In 2013 he published a book covering various Benoni variations and "Carlsen's secret anti-English system".
  
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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
Reply #13 - 03/18/15 at 14:16:45
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barnaby wrote on 03/18/15 at 13:45:32:
TN wrote on 03/17/15 at 21:44:06:
6.e4! fxe4 7.f3 seems a pretty strong answer. The 6.h4 systems should also give White an edge (though I feel Black gets more or less what he wants here). In the former line White doesn't even need to find any special moves to get an edge. True, Black will obtain the e5-square after 7...d6 8.fxe4 Nf6 but it's not worth much as White can play around it (he has a lot of space, after all!) or simply trade off the outpost. Ultimately it's just very logical to open the position when ahead in development.


Agreed.

1. d4 g6 2. c4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c5 4. d5 Bc3 5. bc f5 6. e4! fe 7. f3 d6 8. fe Nf6 9. Qc2

Looks like a decent +/= or better for White.

Fritz seems to like 7. ... e6 getting the Queen active but White seems strong in these variations as well.


I think you're forgetting about 7...e5!, the move TonyRo mentioned in his post.    I have the Henley books and DVD and if I remember correctly, 7...e5 is what is recommended there. 

I would like to get Carpathian Warrior 2 but that is rather pricey.  Henley at one time promised a follow up book that dealt with other move orders but apparently that idea has been dropped.
  
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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
Reply #12 - 03/18/15 at 13:45:32
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TN wrote on 03/17/15 at 21:44:06:
6.e4! fxe4 7.f3 seems a pretty strong answer. The 6.h4 systems should also give White an edge (though I feel Black gets more or less what he wants here). In the former line White doesn't even need to find any special moves to get an edge. True, Black will obtain the e5-square after 7...d6 8.fxe4 Nf6 but it's not worth much as White can play around it (he has a lot of space, after all!) or simply trade off the outpost. Ultimately it's just very logical to open the position when ahead in development.


Agreed.

1. d4 g6 2. c4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c5 4. d5 Bc3 5. bc f5 6. e4! fe 7. f3 d6 8. fe Nf6 9. Qc2

Looks like a decent +/= or better for White.

Fritz seems to like 7. ... e6 getting the Queen active but White seems strong in these variations as well.
  
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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
Reply #11 - 03/18/15 at 10:24:37
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Ron Henley also has some books and Dvd's about the Dzindzi Indian.
  
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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
Reply #10 - 03/18/15 at 09:44:04
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The best text for this is probably Carpathian Warrior, book 2. 
A slightly odd book, but loaded with good stuff on this, and actually rather interesting.

For your delectation, comrades:
https://www.newinchess.com/Carpathian_Warrior_2-p-1666.html
  
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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
Reply #9 - 03/17/15 at 23:43:38
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Interesting TonyRo.  I've always been interested in this opening too since it unbalances the position so much.  Still, it's hard to believe White doesn't have something really good here.  On remember John Watson having a low opinion of the opening in his recent repertoire book (although he too avoided it with 3.e4).
  
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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
Reply #8 - 03/17/15 at 22:50:46
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TN wrote on 03/17/15 at 21:44:06:
6.e4! fxe4 7.f3 seems a pretty strong answer.

I literally just searched up this line in Chessbase and started looking at it (I have little experience with the Dzindi-Indian, I just think it's a cool opening), but it seems like Black has held fairly easily in some Correspondence games after the weird looking 7...e5!?, the critical line seeming to be 8.Qc2 d6 9.fxe4 Qh4+!? (reminiscent of the old Watson suggestion in the Taimanov Modern Benoni) 10.g3 Qe7, etc. Engines prefer White somewhat, but I'm not even sure about that - Black has less space, yes, but he's traded off his bad bishop and left White with a worse (but at the moment not particularly relevant) pawn structure, and he's very solid. You almost have to prefer the knights here, as both of White's bishops are fairly inactive. Makes your wonder if Arnaudov's 11.Bh3!? is the best try. Anyway, here are the games:









Perhaps White can try something different along the way, or he simply hasn't found the best plan after Black's 7...e5!?, but it doesn't seem so grim to me at a quick glance...

  
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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
Reply #7 - 03/17/15 at 21:44:06
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6.e4! fxe4 7.f3 seems a pretty strong answer. The 6.h4 systems should also give White an edge (though I feel Black gets more or less what he wants here). In the former line White doesn't even need to find any special moves to get an edge. True, Black will obtain the e5-square after 7...d6 8.fxe4 Nf6 but it's not worth much as White can play around it (he has a lot of space, after all!) or simply trade off the outpost. Ultimately it's just very logical to open the position when ahead in development.
  

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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
Reply #6 - 03/17/15 at 18:53:47
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I keep hearing rumors that this opening (Dzindzi Indian) has been refuted (or maybe just very uncomfortable) but I'm unaware of published analysis that shows as much.  (All the repertoire books I've seen give 3.e4 instead of 3.Nc3 to avoid the Dzindzi, however I then think Black can equalize with 3...Nc6!  A bold claim I know but I'll believe it till shown otherwise.)   

Anyone willing to share a strong method for White against the Dzindzi?
  
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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
Reply #5 - 05/27/09 at 03:47:59
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Wow, thanks everyone for all the great info!  
  
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Re: What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?
Reply #4 - 05/26/09 at 12:57:41
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fan1972 wrote on 05/25/09 at 22:52:55:
What do people here think of the Dzindzi Indian?   
1. d4  g6  2. c4 Bg7  3. Nc3 c5  4. d5. Bxc3+

And not just the main variation above…. How about the whole system/approach of starting off with a Modern and then veering off into the variation above, or depending on White's responses, into some sort of a Benoni, or Accelerated Dragon?

Is this approach viable, and even respectable?  Or is it full of holes?  Why isn't it used much?

Any guidance would be appreciated.  Thanks.




Well, I once had a very nice win with 5.bxc3 f5 (which is the point, I believe) 6.e4 fxe4 7.f3 Nf6 8.Qc2.  I soon played fxe4 and was eventually able to seize control of the f-file.  It's useful to remember that 8...Qa5 9.fxe4 Nxe4? fails to 10.Bd3. 

I still have faith in this line, but there are some strong players here who claim that White should not allow Black to play this way, but should instead play 3.e4.
  

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