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Re: Miles-Qian London System game
Reply #9 - 05/28/09 at 13:23:20
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Papageno wrote on 05/27/09 at 08:59:39:
AlanG wrote on 05/26/09 at 11:04:45:
Probably 12.dxe5 is better than Bh2, but I think White's problems really started with 9.h3

Instead I'd suggest:

9.b4 Be7 10.b5 0-0 11.Nf3


9.b4 Be7 10.b5 but then Black should again seize his chance to play 10...e5N. Lines such as 11. bxc6 bxc6 12. dxe5 Nh5 13. b4 (13. Ra6 Nxf4 14. exf4 Nxc5) 13... Nxf4 14. exf4 Rb8 seem to give Black counterplay.



Interesting, but I think White does better if he delays bxc6.

11.dxe5 Nh5 12.b4 Nxf4 13.exf4 and now if 13...f6 14.bxc6 bxc6 15.Ra6
  
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Re: Miles-Qian London System game
Reply #8 - 05/27/09 at 18:24:49
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Sorry, I should have been a bit more precise. You can't arrive at the diagram, but you can arrive at the position after my 11 Nf3 , viz 1 d4 d5, 2 c4 c6, 3 Nf3 Nf6, 4 Qb3 Qb6, 5 c5 etc
  

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Re: Miles-Qian London System game
Reply #7 - 05/27/09 at 17:25:26
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I know that we can start with the Baltic Defense 1. d4 d5 2. c4 Bf5 and end up here by 3. Nc3 e6 4. Nf3 c6 5. Bf4 Nf6 6. e3 Nbd7 7. Qb3 Qb6.
But how do we start with the Slav 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 and likely arrive here?
  
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Re: Miles-Qian London System game
Reply #6 - 05/27/09 at 09:58:56
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No need to rush b5; undermining one's c5 strongpoint with all his pieces on the back rank, while facilitating Balck's thematic break, just looks like bad chess to me.

In the Miles game, why not just 11 Nf3, developing a piece and inhibiting Black's thematic break, and then just try to play like Nikolic - Piket. I'm not terribly au fait with the theory, but I do have extensive experience of this line via the Qb3 Slav, and that's how I'd approach it.
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Re: Miles-Qian London System game
Reply #5 - 05/27/09 at 08:59:39
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AlanG wrote on 05/26/09 at 11:04:45:
Probably 12.dxe5 is better than Bh2, but I think White's problems really started with 9.h3

Instead I'd suggest:

9.b4 Be7 10.b5 0-0 11.Nf3


9.b4 Be7 10.b5 but then Black should again seize his chance to play 10...e5N. Lines such as 11. bxc6 bxc6 12. dxe5 Nh5 13. b4 (13. Ra6 Nxf4 14. exf4 Nxc5) 13... Nxf4 14. exf4 Rb8 seem to give Black counterplay.

  
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Re: Miles-Qian London System game
Reply #4 - 05/27/09 at 03:51:36
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Thanks for all the feedback! Guess I better join Prie's group, when I off of unemployment that is! Smiley
  
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Re: Miles-Qian London System game
Reply #3 - 05/26/09 at 15:46:26
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MNb wrote on 05/26/09 at 14:27:01:
9.h3 is played to save Bf4 of course (9.b4 Nh5) but I don't see much reason to hurry with b3-b4-b5 either: 9.h3 Be7 10.Nf3. There is a game Nikolic-Piket and also a couple of Kovacevic games to show how this variation must be handled.


Of course that's the reason 9.h3 was played, but I don't think it's necessary. (9.b4 Nh5 10.Be5)

In addition to Nikolic-Piket, you also need to look at Prie-Kludacz from the January update - game 7. 9.Nf3 would also be OK, but 9.h3 gives Black too much time. In Nikolic-Piket, h3 is played only after ...Rc8.

Edit - there's also game 2 (Georgiev-Filev) from that update, where this exact position is considered in the first note. Now 9.b4 gets an ! and 9.h3 just an !? as a transposition.

But I still think 9.h3 is maybe worse than that, because it will either transpose into Prie-Kludacz where 10.h3? or the Miles-Qian game which is unclear.
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Re: Miles-Qian London System game
Reply #2 - 05/26/09 at 14:27:01
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9.h3 is played to save Bf4 of course (9.b4 Nh5) but I don't see much reason to hurry with b3-b4-b5 either: 9.h3 Be7 10.Nf3. There is a game Nikolic-Piket and also a couple of Kovacevic games to show how this variation must be handled.
  

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Re: Miles-Qian London System game
Reply #1 - 05/26/09 at 11:04:45
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Probably 12.dxe5 is better than Bh2, but I think White's problems really started with 9.h3

Instead I'd suggest:

9.b4 Be7 10.b5 0-0 11.Nf3
  
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Miles-Qian London System game
05/26/09 at 05:53:12
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In Anthony Miles-Jifu Qian, 1-0, 93' began

1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 Bf5 3.e3 c6 4.c4 e6 5.Nc3 Nf6 6.Qb3 Qb6 7.c5 Qxb3 8.axb3
Nbd7 9.h3 Be7 10.b4 O-O 11.b5 e5.

I'm concerned about meeting black's 11th move, which occured to me as a possibility during a game, but it is not mentioned in "Win With The London System":





Miles-Qian continued:
12.Bh2 exd4 13.exd4 Rfe8 14.Be2 Ne4
15.bxc6 bxc6 16.Nd1 a5 17.Nf3 Ng5 18.Ne3 Nxf3+ 19.Bxf3 Bf6 20.Kd2 Be4
21.Ra4 Bxf3 22.gxf3 Nf8 23.Ng4 Re6 24.Rha1 Rae8 25.Nxf6+ Rxf6 26.R1a3
Ne6 27.Re3 Rc8 28.Be5 Rf5 29.h4 Eventually white won, according to the database, although black seems fine here.


In the game black seemed to be doing well from his 11th move on for quite some time. Eventually white (Miles) did win, but as a London player, I'm wondering how strong 11...e5 is and how to meet it. This is the only game I could find with 11...e5, although the idea has been used in similar positions.

Any suggestions on how to improve on white's handling of 11...e5?

Thanks.
  
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