ChessPub Forum - B35 Acc Dr 7...Qa5 8.0-0 d6 9.Nb3 Qc7 and now??

bragesjo God Member Offline CCE at ICCF 2021 and CCM at ICCF 2023 Posts: 1839 Location: Eskilstuna Joined: 06/30/06 Gender:	Re: B35 Acc Dr 7...Qa5 8.0-0 d6 9.Nb3 Qc7 and now?? Reply #9 - 02/17/12 at 10:07:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	c4 does certanliy not win by force, escpecielly not in Gurgenidse system. The white repertour book "Experts vs the Siclian" proposed Nc2 to avoid it. The funny thing is that in a almost forced line they claimed an edge for white when newer books written for black actually claims an edge for black...


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MNb YaBB Moderator Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: B35 Acc Dr 7...Qa5 8.0-0 d6 9.Nb3 Qc7 and now?? Reply #8 - 02/17/12 at 01:24:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	That's nice and all, but irrelevant for this thread. Could you start a separate thread to explain in more detail whye "Black has neither equality nor easy play" after 5.c4 ?

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PANFR Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 256 Location: Greece Joined: 10/31/11 Gender:	Re: B35 Acc Dr 7...Qa5 8.0-0 d6 9.Nb3 Qc7 and now?? Reply #7 - 02/16/12 at 16:46:44	Post Tools	Print Post
	The acc.Dragon players need to despair, due to 5.c4. I have been a dedicated acc.Dragon myself in the past, but finally I decided that enough is enough. Black has neither equality, nor easy play against the Maroczy.


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bragesjo God Member Offline CCE at ICCF 2021 and CCM at ICCF 2023 Posts: 1839 Location: Eskilstuna Joined: 06/30/06 Gender:	Re: Acc Dragon: 7...Qa5 8.0-0 d6 9.Nb3 Qc7and now?? Reply #6 - 02/05/12 at 17:59:55	Post Tools	Print Post
	Today I was white in a team match in swedish division 1 an got to this position, only difference is that black castled intead of d6 and after Nb3 Qc7 f4 d6 Be2 we got at the position of this thread. After Bd7 g4 Rac8 g5 my opponnent became desparate and play Nxe4 Nxe4 Bxb2 and after some mistakes by both players I convereted the extra material and won.


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Paddy God Member Offline The truth will out! Posts: 965 Location: Manchester Joined: 01/10/03 Gender:	Re: Acc Dragon: 7...Qa5 8.0-0 d6 9.Nb3 Qc7and now?? Reply #5 - 06/03/09 at 12:24:49	Post Tools	Print Post
	bragesjo wrote on 06/01/09 at 12:04:11: I think that Be2 is best move for white, make the black queen oddly placed. Whites plan is to advance the fpawn and sicne there is no rook exchane sac at c3 compared to main line, whites attach will be stronger than in classical systems. I recently asked Tiviakov why he did not play the ...Qa5 variation and he explained that he felt that White was better with the Nb3, Be2 plan But I suggest that Ax Dragon players need not despair; the decentralised knight is not great on b3 (covering only six squares) and with the queen on c7 Black just has to handle the position differently from the Classical Dragon. Most of us do not face GMs every day and besides, the truly excellent books that are available for Ax Dragon fans (Greet, Silman, Silman & Donaldson, Nielsen & Hansen, also Davies's DVD) provide a lot of resources for Black in these lines.


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kingpingpong YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 13 Joined: 05/11/09	Re: Acc Dragon: 7...Qa5 8.0-0 d6 9.Nb3 Qc7and now?? Reply #4 - 06/02/09 at 22:14:29	Post Tools	Print Post
	As I said, Fischer-Olafssen is a beatiful game in this variation and in it Fischer adpots a nice plan of Rf2, Bf3, Rd2, Kh1, Qg1, Rad1.


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bragesjo God Member Offline CCE at ICCF 2021 and CCM at ICCF 2023 Posts: 1839 Location: Eskilstuna Joined: 06/30/06 Gender:	Re: Acc Dragon: 7...Qa5 8.0-0 d6 9.Nb3 Qc7and now?? Reply #3 - 06/01/09 at 12:04:11	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think that Be2 is best move for white, make the black queen oddly placed. Whites plan is to advance the fpawn and sicne there is no rook exchane sac at c3 compared to main line, whites attach will be stronger than in classical systems.


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kingpingpong YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 13 Joined: 05/11/09	Re: Acc Dragon: 7...Qa5 8.0-0 d6 9.Nb3 Qc7and now?? Reply #2 - 06/01/09 at 08:17:47	Post Tools	Print Post
	MNb wrote on 05/31/09 at 23:00:31: I only know the answer of question B, as it is a fairly simple one. Just compare your line 10.Be2 0-0 (the logical move) with 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be2 Bg7 7.0-0 0-0 8.Nb3 Nc6 9.Be3 and now Qc7 certainly is not the most popular move (Be6 is). If White wants to punish Black then the direct approach 11.f4 followed by 12.g4 and 13.f5 is the first line to look at. Thank you, I feel comfortable now in playing Be2 knowing the two positions. I limit myself when it comes to opening studies so I will have to come back when I have looked at some lines with f4, g4, f5 as you said. I think f4 should simply be seen as control over the centre in this variation and the whole idea is to prevent d5. Fischer played very logically in Fischer - Oloffsen 1961 when he played Rf2, Bf3, Rd2 and when black played Bd7, Rfd8 then Fischer played kh1! followed by Qg1 (threatening Bb6 skewer). In that way he was able to obtain good control over the centre after Rad1.


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MNb YaBB Moderator Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Acc Dragon: 7...Qa5 8.0-0 d6 9.Nb3 Qc7and now?? Reply #1 - 05/31/09 at 23:00:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	I only know the answer of question B, as it is a fairly simple one. Just compare your line 10.Be2 0-0 (the logical move) with 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be2 Bg7 7.0-0 0-0 8.Nb3 Nc6 9.Be3 and now Qc7 certainly is not the most popular move (Be6 is). If White wants to punish Black then the direct approach 11.f4 followed by 12.g4 and 13.f5 is the first line to look at.

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B35 Acc Dr 7...Qa5 8.0-0 d6 9.Nb3 Qc7 and now??
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1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. Nc3 Bg7 6. Be3 Nf6 7. Bc4 Qa5 8. O-O d6 9. Nb3 Qc7

Questions:

A)In this position 10.Be2, 10.h3 and 10.Bg5 has been played by Fischer and Anand. I understand none of these moves, are there no more constructive moves that white can make. All of them aim to prevent ...Ng4 hitting Be3 but is that really such a big threat?

B)In any case after 10.Be2 this looks like some position from 6.Be2 systems where white has played Nb3 and for black I am not sure if he is down or up tempos or what is going on. Can this position be directly compared to some other do you think?

C)10.Be2 0-0 11.f4 what are the differences in strategy that white should keep in mind when he playes this sort of setup against the g6 formations?

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