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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #20 - 02/27/11 at 14:51:21
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I've noticed that 4.Qb3 has really started to take off lately. This is beginning to look like a serious alternative that may even replace the old Russian System. Kramnik, Topalov and Carlsen have all played it in the last five years and it's scoring really well.

Apart from the NIC article mentioned here in 2009, is there any other literature available on this variation?
  
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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #19 - 02/17/11 at 13:02:10
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In the Russian System, I'm finding the Hungarian with ..a6 is proving popular.
I gather that the 4.Qb3 move order is awkward for players of that line.

Is there a specifc line for white that's good or is it more general?

All I've found is 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Qb3 dxc4 5. Qxc4 Bg7 6. e4 O-O 7. Be2 a6 8. Bf4 b5 9. Qxc7 Qxc7 10. Bxc7 b4 11. Na4 Nc6
Looks tricky to play though.

Is this the line thought good for White or should I be looking elsewhere?
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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #18 - 08/08/10 at 18:16:06
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Markovich wrote on 03/10/10 at 15:38:38:
I don't want to deflect from Tim's question, but I myself have been having trouble getting chances against 7...Na6.  I would appreciate any suggestions of how to do that.

I recently had a nice game against 7...Na6 (i.e. the Prins variation):

Paul Cumbers (2218) v Grant W Bucher (2012),
British Championship 2010 (rd.2)

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 O-O 7.e4 Na6 8.Be2 c5 9.d5 e6 10.Bg5 h6 11.Bxf6 Bxf6 12.e5 exd5 (if 12...Bg7, I was intending 13.d6 followed by king-side castling) 13.Nxd5 Bg7 14.O-O-O Qa5 15.Ne7+ Kh8 16.Nxc8 Raxc8 17.Kb1 Rcd8 18.Rxd8 Qxd8 19.Bd3 Qe7 20.Re1 Nc7 21.h4 b5 22.Qe4 c4 23.Bc2 f5 24.Qc6 Kh7 25.g4 Ne6 26.gxf5 gxf5 27.Rd1 Nf4 28.Bxf5+ Rxf5 29.Qe4 Kh8 30.Qxf5 Nd3 31.Rxd3 cxd3 32.Qxd3 Qb4 33.a3 Qf4 34.Qe2 Qf5+ 35.Ka1 Qf8 36.Nd4 b4 37.Ne6 Qc8 38.Nxg7 b3 39.Kb1 Kxg7 40.Qd3 Qb7 41.Kc1 Qh1+ 42.Kd2 Qxh4 43.Qg3+ Qg5+ 44.Qxg5+ hxg5 45.Kc3 Kf7 46.Kd4 Ke6 47.Ke4 a6 48.a4 1-0

10.Bg5!? is an interesting way of playing it, and it seemed to give me good chances. Of course, there are various improvements for both sides.
  
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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #17 - 03/26/10 at 14:26:57
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I managed to track down the game.  This should help:

[Event "11th European Individual Ch."]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2010.03.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Volkov"]
[Black "Nedilko"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D97"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Qb3 dxc4 6. Qxc4 O-O 7. e4 Na6 8.
Be2 c5 9. d5 e6 10. O-O exd5 11. exd5 Bf5 12. Rd1 Re8 13. d6 h6 14. Be3 Ne4 15.
Qb3 Nxc3 16. bxc3 Be4 17. Bb5 Re6 18. Nd2 Bf5 19. Nc4 Rb8 20. Rac1 g5 21. Qa3
Rc8 22. Qa4 Rg6 23. Rd2 h5 24. Na5 1-0

  
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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #16 - 03/23/10 at 12:21:29
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In the Volkov-Nedilko,
White plays the f-R to d1 rather than the a-R.
Wonder if it gives more play on the queenside?
I like how the Na6 has nowhere to go because of the pawns on c5 and d6.
In this game, Black seems to have weak queenside pawns, not being able to push the b-pawn.

I'm new to this opening.
Can anyone answer is there a transpo problem.
If 7...Bg4 then 8.Be3 seems more popular than 8.Be2 when Black can then play 8..Nc6.
However, after 7...Nc6 then 8.Be2 seems to be favoured, but then Black can play 8...Bg4.
I guess that 8...Nc6 in the Smyslov isn't the actual main line so maybe this isn't considered a problem?!
  
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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #15 - 03/22/10 at 13:14:12
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TicklyTim wrote on 03/10/10 at 15:58:39:
Markovich wrote on 03/10/10 at 15:38:38:
I don't want to deflect from Tim's question, but I myself have been having trouble getting chances against 7...Na6.  I would appreciate any suggestions of how to do that.


How is your line going?
If it's 7... Na6 8. Be2 c5 9. d5 e6 10.O-O exd5 11. exd5 - Black seems to have lots of options.
What have you faced that you're not keen on? (is it OTB or c.c)?

ps: just noticed Volkov won with this 2 days ago in the Euro Indiv Champs.
Seems to be about whether the pawn on d5-d6 is strong or weak.


My problem is with White, not Black.  Although I believe I understand the positions that arise from 7...Na6 fairly well, resembling, as they do, Four Pawns Attack positions, I have no idea how White is supposed to play for advantage.
  

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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #14 - 03/22/10 at 12:59:00
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Gave the Russian System a punt yesterday.
Opponent played the Smyslov system - which unfortunately I hadn't really looked at (yet).

Opening was 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 0-0 7.e4 Bg4 8.Be2 Nc6 9.Be3 Nfd7 10.Rad1 Nb6 11.Qd3

I think Black could maybe equalize the way I played it which was rather safe.
Something like ..Bxf3 ..e5 ..Nd4 sprang to mind.

Is 8.Be2 an ok line, or should I be looking at the 8.Be3 stuff to get the most out of the position?
Is there a recognized 'best line' for White against the Smyslov?

  
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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #13 - 03/10/10 at 15:58:39
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Markovich wrote on 03/10/10 at 15:38:38:
I don't want to deflect from Tim's question, but I myself have been having trouble getting chances against 7...Na6.  I would appreciate any suggestions of how to do that.


How is your line going?
If it's 7... Na6 8. Be2 c5 9. d5 e6 10.O-O exd5 11. exd5 - Black seems to have lots of options.
What have you faced that you're not keen on? (is it OTB or c.c)?

ps: just noticed Volkov won with this 2 days ago in the Euro Indiv Champs.
Seems to be about whether the pawn on d5-d6 is strong or weak.
  
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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #12 - 03/10/10 at 15:38:38
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I don't want to deflect from Tim's question, but I myself have been having trouble getting chances against 7...Na6.  I would appreciate any suggestions of how to do that.
  

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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #11 - 03/10/10 at 15:06:31
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TicklyTim wrote on 06/02/09 at 14:28:28:
In the line with 7..a6 8. e5 b5 9. Qb3 Nfd7,
what would anyone recommend at club level?

10.e6,  10.Be3  or  10.h4.

10.e6 looks like it might need quite a bit of preparation,
but 10.h4 looks like a decent attack to get on with.
Is 10.Be3 the positional way of playing?


Carlsen tried 10.Ng5 recently (Corus I think).
It doesn't look anything special, but with some home prep - might cause Black something to think about.
I'm sure ChessOk had a game reference with the move (between two amateurs) at the time - but it seems not to be there now.
Does anyone know of any material covering 10.Ng5
  
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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #10 - 06/05/09 at 09:38:15
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Another Leko-Anand game in the Russian System.
Leko plays the 8.Be2 line vs 7..a6.
John Watson is a bit scathing of this move in Mastering the Openings Vol2, advocating 8.e5 followed by h4.
I think 8.Be2 looks like a solid option but maybe not pushing enough for the advantage. Though this game seems to give White a slight edge in the endgame - where many people perhaps would prefer the edge in the Middlegame.
What are peoples opinions on these options?
Already had one person in support of 8.Be2 here (and now Leko agrees!).

Leko,Peter (2751) - Anand,Viswanathan (2783) [D97]
Miskolc Rapid (4), 04.06.2009 [Meszaros/Berkes]
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1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 An intresting "provocation": Anand is not afraid to play Grunfeld with black! 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 0-0 7.e4 a6 8.Be2 b5 9.Qb3 c5 10.dxc5 Bb7 11.0-0 Nbd7 12.e5 Nd5 13.Nxd5 Nxc5 14.Nxe7+ Qxe7 15.Qa3 15...Rfe8N. Novelty: the rook gives his place for the queen but Leko finds the weak point of this plan. [15...Rac8 16.Bf4 Rfe8 17.Rac1 Bxf3 18.Bxf3 Bxe5 19.Be3 Bd6 20.Rcd1 Qf6 21.Rd5+/= Alterman-Pelletier, Bad Wiessee 1997] 16.Bg5 Qf8 17.Bd2! +/=. This unpleasent "comeback" of the dark squared bishop does not give other choice to Anand to play a worse endgame.
  
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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #9 - 06/04/09 at 09:26:55
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Yes the Leko-Anand game very relevant. Cheers.

I thought the pawn grab with Bf4 was supposed to be suspect, and that black can almost gain the advantage?
Maybe it was only a rapidplay game though.
Don't think I'll be trying Bf4.
  
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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #8 - 06/04/09 at 00:48:36
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Not too sure how relevant this is but the 1st game in the Leko-Anand Rapid match which started last night (AEST) has been categorised by TWIC as a Gruendfeld Russian. Here is the pgn with GM analysis courtesy of Chessbase:

[Event "Miskolc Rapid"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.06.03"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Leko, Peter"]
[Black "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D97"]
[WhiteElo "2751"]
[BlackElo "2783"]
[Annotator "Meszaros/Berkes"]
[PlyCount "55"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 {First surprise of the match! Anand played the
Gruenfeld-defence with black seven years ago against Karpov.} 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Qb3
dxc4 6. Qxc4 O-O 7. e4 a6 {This is the "Hungarian Variation", which was used
by Hungarian grandmasters succesfully in the early of seventies.} 8. Bf4 b5 9.
Qxc7 Qxc7 10. Bxc7 Bb7 11. Bd3 b4 12. Na4 Nxe4 13. O-O Nf6 14. Rac1 Nbd7 15.
Ne5 {#} Rfc8 $1 {15. Ne5 was a novelty, but Anand found the best plan. The a8
rook defends the a6 pawn and Black is still waiting for all of his
posibilities.} 16. Rfe1 e6 17. Nb6 (17. Bd6 Bf8 18. Bxf8 Kxf8 19. Nc5 Nxc5 20.
dxc5 Bd5 {with counterplay}) 17... Nxb6 18. Bxb6 Nd5 19. Ba5 (19. Bc5 $5) 19...
Bh6 20. Rc4 Rxc4 21. Nxc4 Bf8 22. g3 Rc8 23. Ne5 Nf6 {Black has slightly
better position and time to improve his standing with Bd6, Kg7, g5, h5, and
after this or h4 or Bb8-a7. Anand wants to use his advantage too quickly. But
White's position is strong enough.} 24. Bf1 Bd5 25. Nd3 {#} Rc4 $6 {Consequent
but dubious. After the game Peter said that here he calculated three moves
(Nf4, Pb3 and Bd8),  but he had only three minutes left...} 26. Bd8 $6 (26. b3
$1 Rxd4 (26... Rc2 27. Re2 $1 $14) 27. Bb6 Re4 28. Rc1 Nd7 29. Be3 {+/=}) 26...
Ne4 27. Nf4 Rc8 28. Nxd5 {#Anand had only half minute (against two and half
for Leko) and maybe for this reason he offered a draw.} 1/2-1/2

PS. 2nd game was also a Gruenfeld which Anand won.

[Event "Miskolc Rapid"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.06.03"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Leko, Peter"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D85"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2751"]
[Annotator "Meszaros/Berkes"]
[PlyCount "91"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 {The second surprise of the match: the Gruenfeld
Defence again, but with reversed colours!} 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. cxd5 Nxd5 6. e4 Nxc3
7. bxc3 c5 8. Be3 {Kramnik's favourite variation, which played as Black very
succesfully by the Indian grandmaster Ganguly, who is member of Anand's team.}
Qa5 9. Qd2 O-O 10. Rc1 Rd8 11. d5 e6 12. Bg5 $1 {A very strong move, but it is
not exactly a novelty. Anand's idea is to create some weaknesses in Black's
camp after 12...f6, or  disturb the development of the black pieces.} Re8 13.
d6 Bd7 14. Bh6 {#} Qd8 {Not a bad idea, but Black has no time to build up his
defence. It is very difficult to offer a better choice, because we don't
believe in the move 13...Bd7. Now the fans of the Gruenfeld must to show
something good against White's hyperagressive plan!} (14... Bf6 15. h4 (15. e5
Bh8) 15... Bc6 16. h5 Nd7 17. Ng5 $40 {Palo-Ivanchuk, Skanderborg 2003}) (14...
Bh8 15. h4 Bc6 16. h5 Bxe4 17. Ng5 Bd5 (17... Bf5 18. Be2 {+/-}) 18. Nxh7 $1 {
with attack.}) 15. h4 f6 16. e5 $1 $16 {+/-. After this move Black never can
play Pg5 and open the dangerous b1-h7 diagonal.} Bc6 17. h5 g5 18. Bxg7 Kxg7
19. exf6+ Qxf6 {#} 20. h6+ $1 {The final nuance: the black K must go into the
corner, and the endgame is winning for White.} Kh8 21. Qxg5 Rf8 22. Qxf6+ Rxf6
23. Ne5 Rf5 24. Nxc6 Nxc6 25. Rd1 Rd8 26. Rh4 $1 $18 {The best place for the
rook: White threatens with different manouvres, for example: Rg4-g7, or to
push ahead his passed free pawn, or attack the black pawns on the queenside.}
Rf6 (26... Rd5 27. Rxd5 exd5 28. Rf4 Kg8 29. Rf6 $18) 27. Bb5 Ne5 28. Rh5 Nf7
29. Rxc5 Rxh6 30. d7 {#The rest is simple.} a6 31. Bf1 Kg7 32. Rc7 b5 33. Rc6
Kf6 34. Rxa6 Rh5 35. Rb6 Rc5 36. Bxb5 Rxc3 37. a4 Ke7 38. a5 Rg8 39. Kf1 Ra3
40. a6 Nd8 41. Be2 Rg5 42. Bc4 Rc5 43. Bxe6 Rca5 44. Bc4 Ra1 45. Rxa1 Rxa1+ 46.
Ke2 {#So Anand leads 1.5-0.5 after the first day, with good play.} 1-0
  

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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #7 - 06/03/09 at 12:50:01
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I repeat myself, but it is worth saying again that the updates here are an excellent source of Gruenfeld material, including material on the Russian System.
  

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Re: Grunfeld: Russian System
Reply #6 - 06/03/09 at 10:48:00
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What's the status of 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. Nc3 d5 5. cxd5 Nxd5 6. Qa4+?

It's similar to the Russian System, and when it comes about via the 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. Qa4+ Bd7 6. Qb3 Nb6 7. d4 anti-Grunfeld white is scoring great, including GM play. Of course, black doesn't have the luxury of possible ...Nc6, or ...c6 defenses because of the move order.
  

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