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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10766 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Modern/Averbakh 4.Nc3 e5 5.? (W) Reply #9 - 06/18/09 at 03:01:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	Nunn/McNab also think high of 7.f4 in The Ultimate Pirc. They are not so positive on 7.Bg5+ but only give one sample line.

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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4960 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Modern/Averbakh 4.Nc3 e5 5.? (W) Reply #8 - 06/17/09 at 15:39:49	Post Tools	Print Post
	5. de de 6. Qxd8+ Kxd8 7. f4 is a long-standing main line; see ECO, NCO and MCO for example. Raymond Keene's 1. d4 repertoire book from some time ago gave 7. f4 an exclamation mark. The list of White's possibilities was incomplete, however; some books think 7. Bg5+ is as good as 7. f4.


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HoemberChess God Member Offline Posts: 512 Location: Lake d4 on Planet Chess Joined: 10/08/07 Gender:	Re: Modern/Averbakh 4.Nc3 e5 5.? (W) Reply #7 - 06/17/09 at 14:26:34	Post Tools	Print Post
	Please name at least two examples besides Tiger's Modern. parisestmagique wrote on 06/16/09 at 09:42:22: In this position White has 5 choices 1.d4 g6 2.e4 Bg7 3.c4 d6 4.Nc3 e5 A/ 5.dxe5 dxe5 6.QxQ+ KxQ 7.f4 recommanded in all opening books B/ 5.Nf3 White can sometimes play Bg5 C/ 5.Nge2 white may play Be3 and prepare 0-0-0 D/ 5.d5 i dont think it's weack because White can play h4 or Be3 + c5 in B and C Black can play exd4.

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parisestmagique Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 473 Location: paris Joined: 01/24/06 Gender:	Re: Modern/Averbakh 4.Nc3 e5 5.? (W) Reply #6 - 06/16/09 at 09:42:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	In this position White has 5 choices 1.d4 g6 2.e4 Bg7 3.c4 d6 4.Nc3 e5 A/ 5.dxe5 dxe5 6.QxQ+ KxQ 7.f4 recommanded in all opening books B/ 5.Nf3 White can sometimes play Bg5 C/ 5.Nge2 white may play Be3 and prepare 0-0-0 D/ 5.d5 i dont think it's weack because White can play h4 or Be3 + c5 in B and C Black can play exd4.


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LeeRoth God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 1520 Joined: 10/22/05	Re: Averbakh 4.Nc3 e5 Reply #5 - 06/14/09 at 21:59:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	Zatox wrote on 06/14/09 at 14:15:28: The knight is not yet commited to f6, so if white plays d5, black can play Ne7 (or even Nh6) and then f5, when black is getting his kingside rolling much faster then in a King's indian. he also doesn't say it is incorrect, he says it's inaccurate. It's true that Black can play ..Ne7 and ..f5, but White can meet this plan effectively with a quick h4-h5. Indeed, in Play 1.d4, Palliser recommends 4..e5 5.d5 and 4..Nd7 5.Be2 e5 6.d5 for White.


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10766 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Averbakh 4.Nc3 e5 Reply #4 - 06/14/09 at 21:09:29	Post Tools	Print Post
	Bromstein wrote on 06/14/09 at 12:54:53: 5.d5 incorrect? Can you give the reasons for this? It's a matter of tempi. KID: Ng8-f6-e8-f6 and Nb8-c6-e7 is necessary to play ...f5. After 5.d5 Black plays Nb8-d7-f6 and Ng8-e7 and has saved two tempi. The only problem is to determine the optimal move order.

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Zatox Full Member Offline Posts: 175 Joined: 03/11/08	Re: Averbakh 4.Nc3 e5 Reply #3 - 06/14/09 at 14:15:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	The knight is not yet commited to f6, so if white plays d5, black can play Ne7 (or even Nh6) and then f5, when black is getting his kingside rolling much faster then in a King's indian. he also doesn't say it is incorrect, he says it's inaccurate.

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Bromstein YaBB Newbies Offline Greetings Posts: 44 Joined: 05/25/09	Re: Averbakh 4.Nc3 e5 Reply #2 - 06/14/09 at 12:54:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	5.d5 incorrect? Can you give the reasons for this?


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Brehn YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 13 Location: Germany Joined: 04/01/09 Gender:	Re: Averbakh 4.Nc3 e5 Reply #1 - 06/14/09 at 11:18:35	Post Tools	Print Post
	Tiger's Modern by Hillarp Persson covers 5.Nf3 in two games and 5.dxe5 and 5.Nge2 in one game each. He also states that 5.d5 and 5.Be3 are inaccurate.


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Modern/Averbakh 4.Nc3 e5 5.? (W)
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1.d4 g6 2.e4 Bg7 3.c4 d6 4.Nc3 e5

What is the best continuation for White now? What book covers it?

I have, for example, Tiger's Modern (from 2005), which is for Black, among my books.

OFWAT Kramnik (Ch 14 in Book 3 of 1st Ed., from 2001) covers 5.Nf3, which I have just chosen for a "correspondence" game of mine, while I am not sure if the immidiate horse-move is the best in the position. But it looked good enough for me anyway.

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