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Re: Worral a la Gajewski!
Reply #3 - 07/30/09 at 12:52:58
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I am a little worried if some Worrall players here laugh with the idea and play simply 10.d3 because this is how the play against the main line with ...d5. But there the Nc6 is in some lines a problem and here after 10...dxe4 11.dxe4 Bd6!? Black is ready to play c5 or Qe7 and c5 or even postpone c5 for later with Be6+Rad8 first and then ...c5 with c4 and Nb7 etc with the typical good play for Black.
  
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Re: Worral a la Gajewski!
Reply #2 - 07/30/09 at 12:28:36
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Yes, it seems that White is weaker than the Gajewski after 10.exd5 e4 11.Ng5?! but is stronger after 11.Bxe4 a line that is not dangerous in the Gajewski. I haven't done extensive analysis but my intuition tells me that Black has to have at least adequate compensation. In the line you give 11.Bxe4 Nxe4 12.Qxe4 Bb7 13.Re1 Bd6 14.d3! Bxd5 15.Qf5! (your exclam)
i cannot understand what is wrong and why we have to stop here! F.e.  15...Be6 16.Qh5 Qd7! 17.Nbd2 Bg4 18.Qh4 Rae8 and Rybka realises that White has nothing but a pawn up which is the one on d3 which will feel pressure on the d file when Black has excellent pieces!
  
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Re: Worral a la Gajewski!
Reply #1 - 07/29/09 at 16:54:10
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Very interesting! If this were to be playable, and if Greet's assessment of 8.Nxe5 is indeed correct, then this Na5 idea would be a huge thorn in white's side and the Worrall would be far less appetising.

Certainly on first glance it looks strong, however the difference between this and the Gajewski is that perhaps white's queen can play a more active role in the defence, as well as preventing a Marshall-like transfer of black's pieces to their optimal squares. After 10.exd5 black can play ...e4 (or 10...Bg4 which might be an improvement) 11.Bxe4 Nxe4 12.Qxe4 Bb7 13.Re1 then 13...Bd6 14.d3! Bxd5 15.Qf5! and it's not clear that black has quite enough. So perhaps 13...Re8 is an improvement, but after 14.d3 Bxd5 15.Qg4, again, I'm not 100% sure that black has enough.

Maybe you have some ideas on how to improve or continue this as black, or some different ideas earlier on? I'd be very pleased to see this idea made to work, as it would be another pet peeve in the Ruy Lopez removed!
  

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Worral a la Gajewski!
07/29/09 at 10:19:10
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I had an idea which i haven't checked thouroughly which is to play a la Gajewski!

After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.Qe2
(or 5.O-O 6.Bb3 Be7 6.Qe2 b5 7.Ba4 O-O 8.c3)
5...b5 6.Bb3 Be7 7.O-O
7.d4 and 7.a4 are fine for BVlack according to Greet and Cox
7...O-O 8.c3 Na5! and now 9.Nxe5 Nxb3 10.axb3 Bb7 11.d3 d5! is given by Greet as better for Black (!), so he proposes 9.Bc2 but now comes 9...d5! and it seems that Black is in better position to play this with the Qe2 instead of Re1 (as in the analogous position of the Marschal gambit!). Of course this is the starting position where we can start analysing but i'd like first to hear your thoughts before we can dig in!
  
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