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Re: Pirc Alert! II
Reply #28 - 08/27/09 at 13:06:23
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Wait for Marin to write a book on the Pirc....hint, hint..Quality Chess if you are listening.
  

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Reply #27 - 08/26/09 at 02:49:05
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Also don't forget Davies' Pirc video.

Lengthy (7 hours), detailed considering the medium, surprisingly helpful. Well worth it. (unlike a number of chessbase dvds).

If you have the DVD, Pirc Alert 1, PIBAW, then off you go. But be careful of 4Bg5....
  
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Reply #26 - 08/25/09 at 20:01:15
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I agree: Strategic explanations in Pirc Alert are very good and much more compared to Vigus.
Vigus is up to date on the other hand
  
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Reply #25 - 08/25/09 at 19:36:08
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I have read through Pirc Alert (1st Ed) at least three times, even without a board, as the material suits that well, and scribbled many notes in it.

I've not read PIB&W through, and I wouldn't, as I use it for reference, and it's the one I take to tournaments with me. 

Both have a place in my library.

It may be a possible to pick up a cheap second hand copy of the First Pirc Alert which would definitely be worth doing for the blurby bits. The holes in the repertoire can be filled from PIB&W, or you could just go with the one James Vigus suggests.

  

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Re: Pirc Alert! II
Reply #24 - 08/25/09 at 18:27:44
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Vigus's book is a fairly conventional survey, for both sides, with the usual amount of comment. Pirc Alert is a repertoire for Black, and has masses of explanation - more than any other openings book I know. You can learn a lot from it, not just about the Pirc but about related openings (e.g. Philidor) too. I wouldn't want to be without it if I were a Pirc player. (Unless I were so strong that I only needed the analysis, not the explanations: in that case I'm sure Vigus would suffice.)
  
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Re: Pirc Alert! II
Reply #23 - 08/25/09 at 04:27:21
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since i have pibaw; i guess i don't need pirc alert II.  thanks i saved some money!   Cheesy
  
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Re: Pirc Alert! II
Reply #22 - 08/25/09 at 01:05:08
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Markovich wrote on 08/24/09 at 18:12:35:
Bibs wrote on 08/05/09 at 11:18:36:
Schaakhamster wrote on 08/05/09 at 11:12:34:
Bibs wrote on 08/05/09 at 06:58:11:
tafl wrote on 08/05/09 at 06:26:34:
There is a quite detailed review of the revision at 'Chess Cafe': http://www.chesscafe.com/hansen/hansen.htm.


Potted version of the review, Twitter-style:

'Barely updated at all. Bit of a con. Don't buy.'


'Unless you don't have the first edition'  Grin


Just buy Vigus' PIBAW instead.


I have Vigus' work but I wonder if, having it, there is any reason to have this one as well.  Do you know for a fact that it adds little?


Have the first book, read the review wherein the few updates were listed. Pity that they could not be bothered to do a proper update. Verging on the fraudulent.

Have Vigus' book. Am pretty familiar with it as I was in regular contact with James as he was writing. We discussed a few of the lines and I checked some stuff and gave a few of my thoughts. Cannot see that Pirc Alert adds in any way to PIBAW, no.

  
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Re: Pirc Alert! II
Reply #21 - 08/24/09 at 18:12:35
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Bibs wrote on 08/05/09 at 11:18:36:
Schaakhamster wrote on 08/05/09 at 11:12:34:
Bibs wrote on 08/05/09 at 06:58:11:
tafl wrote on 08/05/09 at 06:26:34:
There is a quite detailed review of the revision at 'Chess Cafe': http://www.chesscafe.com/hansen/hansen.htm.


Potted version of the review, Twitter-style:

'Barely updated at all. Bit of a con. Don't buy.'


'Unless you don't have the first edition'  Grin


Just buy Vigus' PIBAW instead.


I have Vigus' work but I wonder if, having it, there is any reason to have this one as well.  Do you know for a fact that it adds little?
  

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Re: Pirc Alert! II
Reply #20 - 08/24/09 at 10:33:07
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my opinion:
PIrc Alert II is not worse than the first edition, but there is not enought new stuff for the owner of the first edition.
  
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Re: Pirc Alert! II
Reply #19 - 08/24/09 at 06:52:54
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if someone never had the first pirc alert, should i buy pirc alert II?  is pirc alert II that bad, that i need to buy the first edition?  just curious.
  
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Re: Pirc Alert! II
Reply #18 - 08/05/09 at 16:05:34
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boki wrote on 08/05/09 at 14:06:44:
Also threre was never a book against d4 for blac, which was planned according to the introduction in the first edition.

I think it got canned for COFBE, preferring the Acc Sic to the Pirc
  

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Re: Pirc Alert! II
Reply #17 - 08/05/09 at 14:06:44
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Really disappointing, as I liked the first edition although I never played the pirc.  Obviously Chernin was not involved in the second edition. Also threre was never a book against d4 for blac, which was planned according to the introduction in the first edition.
A pity, as the concept was really interesting.
BTW it was the only book I liked from Alburt Smiley
  
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Reply #16 - 08/05/09 at 12:00:31
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Disappointing, but not entirely surprising.
  

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Re: Pirc Alert! II
Reply #15 - 08/05/09 at 11:18:36
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Schaakhamster wrote on 08/05/09 at 11:12:34:
Bibs wrote on 08/05/09 at 06:58:11:
tafl wrote on 08/05/09 at 06:26:34:
There is a quite detailed review of the revision at 'Chess Cafe': http://www.chesscafe.com/hansen/hansen.htm.


Potted version of the review, Twitter-style:

'Barely updated at all. Bit of a con. Don't buy.'


'Unless you don't have the first edition'  Grin


Just buy Vigus' PIBAW instead.
  
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Re: Pirc Alert! II
Reply #14 - 08/05/09 at 11:12:34
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Bibs wrote on 08/05/09 at 06:58:11:
tafl wrote on 08/05/09 at 06:26:34:
There is a quite detailed review of the revision at 'Chess Cafe': http://www.chesscafe.com/hansen/hansen.htm.


Potted version of the review, Twitter-style:

'Barely updated at all. Bit of a con. Don't buy.'


'Unless you don't have the first edition'  Grin
  
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Re: Pirc Alert! II
Reply #13 - 08/05/09 at 08:45:00
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Thanks for the Hansen review. Disappointing to read  Sad

Looks like a lazy effort. They didn't have to do much work to get buyers of the First Book to get the update, but not this little. What a stupid wasted opportunity.

I really thought buying it for me would be a no brainer as I get every Pirc book I can lay my hands on, but at least I can just print of Hansens review and look up the game refs for myself.

And if they have taken Vigus's analysis without credit, then that's shameful.

Fortunately with PiB&W and Dangerous Weapons there is plenty for Pirc players, and so this dud can be ignored.



  

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Reply #12 - 08/05/09 at 06:58:11
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tafl wrote on 08/05/09 at 06:26:34:
There is a quite detailed review of the revision at 'Chess Cafe': http://www.chesscafe.com/hansen/hansen.htm.


Potted version of the review, Twitter-style:

'Barely updated at all. Bit of a con. Don't buy.'
  
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Reply #11 - 08/05/09 at 06:26:34
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There is a quite detailed review of the revision at 'Chess Cafe': http://www.chesscafe.com/hansen/hansen.htm.
  

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Reply #10 - 08/04/09 at 16:31:34
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Well, I have no opinion about "Openings for Black, Explained," but Glenn Flear, Carsten Hansen and John Donaldson gave it quite favorable reviews, and all thought it useful for a wide range of players (e.g. Donaldson said 1500-2300; I think Flear mentioned 2400 as the top end).    
  
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Reply #9 - 08/04/09 at 16:06:59
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I devoured Pirc Alert! and used it pretty successfully in a couple of big tournaments. I hope Pirc Alert! II won't suck, and that they put in the effort to make the second version worthwhile. If not, it might cast the first one in a negative light.

The nice thing is that if it's good, I could quickly get myself up to date and have a second choice against 1. e4.

As an aside, I don't think Chess Openings for Black, Explained is so bad. It's certainly better than it's White counterpart. The suggestions are pretty solid, and any normal club player could definitely play this repertoire with great success. Maybe you'd need a better book if you're over 2300 or something, but for anything lower it's probably sufficient if you work with computers.
  
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Reply #8 - 08/02/09 at 15:45:10
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JEH wrote on 08/02/09 at 15:33:12:
Schaakhamster wrote on 08/02/09 at 15:17:04:
He has admitted that there are lot of holes and a lot of work goes into patching this up.


The same could be said of Pirc Alert (and problably most if not all opening texts), but the work I put in patching the holes for myself helped me learn a lot about the Pirc.

The first thing I'm going to do when I get Pirc Alert II is to turn to see what improvement there is for the busted TN on p273.

Then I'll go through my margin notes to see what's been improved against my own analysis.

I'm hoping I'll get a good work out from Pirc Alert II and that it won't just be a money grab.


My thoughts exactly. My now working through the Bogo-Indian lines of "Openings for black, explained" and I found them quite good. I haven't found any major hiccups yet so far so good.
  
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Reply #7 - 08/02/09 at 15:33:12
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Schaakhamster wrote on 08/02/09 at 15:17:04:
He has admitted that there are lot of holes and a lot of work goes into patching this up.


The same could be said of Pirc Alert (and problably most if not all opening texts), but the work I put in patching the holes for myself helped me learn a lot about the Pirc.

The first thing I'm going to do when I get Pirc Alert II is to turn to see what improvement there is for the busted TN on p273.

Then I'll go through my margin notes to see what's been improved against my own analysis.

I'm hoping I'll get a good work out from Pirc Alert II and that it won't just be a money grab.
  

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Reply #6 - 08/02/09 at 15:17:04
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Antillian wrote on 08/01/09 at 23:33:38:
HoemberChess wrote on 08/01/09 at 18:25:34:
Is that a good book?


No.  Angry


the "Black one" is in my opinion not so bad. The repertoire choices are decent enough and backed up by fritz/rybka and some database work it should be workable.

The "White one" I find worse although a strong player in the club has used it for the groundworks of his repertoire. He has admitted that there are lot of holes and a lot of work goes into patching this up.
  
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Reply #5 - 08/01/09 at 23:33:38
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HoemberChess wrote on 08/01/09 at 18:25:34:
Is that a good book?


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Reply #4 - 08/01/09 at 18:25:34
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Is that a good book?

TonyRo wrote on 07/31/09 at 14:32:09:
I'm sure other people on this forum got an e-mail from NIC about the new Pirc Alert! book. I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about the details of this book. I thought the first one was pretty much exactly what an opening manual should be, and was just wondering if anyone knew anything about the coverage or the extent of the updating, refining, etc....

If it's anything like the new version of Chess Openings for Black, Explained, I shouldn't get my hopes up!

  

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Reply #3 - 08/01/09 at 11:28:36
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I am actually secretly hoping that this book sucks. Having made up my mind to give up the Pirc, the last thing I need is from someone to write a really good book on it and lure me back.
  

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Reply #2 - 07/31/09 at 15:27:52
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Great news, but no  Smiley this time because of similar comments to those already posted.

I'll still by it though  Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #1 - 07/31/09 at 15:13:01
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Well, Pirc Alert, the original really was good. It was what made me fall in love originally with the Pirc. But Vigus' "Pirc in Black and White" was pretty good too, and is still not that dated. So Pirc Alert II had better come damn good.
  

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07/31/09 at 14:32:09
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I'm sure other people on this forum got an e-mail from NIC about the new Pirc Alert! book. I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about the details of this book. I thought the first one was pretty much exactly what an opening manual should be, and was just wondering if anyone knew anything about the coverage or the extent of the updating, refining, etc....

If it's anything like the new version of Chess Openings for Black, Explained, I shouldn't get my hopes up!
  
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