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Reply #20 - 11/14/09 at 04:12:10
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Reply #19 - 11/13/09 at 20:15:23
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Van Wely plays it, if I'm not mistaken.  One of the top Vans, anyway.
  

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Reply #18 - 11/13/09 at 06:17:47
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Open ChessBase 9/10.

Double-click on Mega Database or TWIC. 

Open a board window.

Enter 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c6.

Press Ctrl+F.

Enter Elo Rating 2650+. 

Copy board to Position.

Sort games according to Black Elo Rating.

Presto, you have the information you want.
  

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Reply #17 - 11/13/09 at 04:40:20
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@ markovich who is playing the Marshall in top level?   
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Reply #16 - 11/12/09 at 15:40:21
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Chess_Addict wrote on 11/11/09 at 22:37:53:
a NIC Yb of some 4-5 years ago was about ...Bb4 and if I remember correctly it concluded it's not sufficient to equalize. I had a brief chat about this with the italian GM Godena who is massively prepared in the openings and who has played the line a few times and he agreed that it's worser than accepting the gambit (which of course requires a good knowledge!).


If I were playing the Triangle, I would plan to accept the Marshall, since my belief is that Black's chances are quite good there.  If I am not mistaken, the latest high-level practice supports that.

  

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Re: To Marshall or not to Marshall
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a NIC Yb of some 4-5 years ago was about ...Bb4 and if I remember correctly it concluded it's not sufficient to equalize. I had a brief chat about this with the italian GM Godena who is massively prepared in the openings and who has played the line a few times and he agreed that it's worser than accepting the gambit (which of course requires a good knowledge!).
  
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Re: To Marshall or not to Marshall
Reply #14 - 11/02/09 at 22:43:47
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TicklyTim wrote on 11/02/09 at 12:34:26:
I'm not sure I'm sharp enough to play this line (though it was just one mistake in this game). You need to be able to calculate and predict all sorts of attacks for the opponent in order to counteract them. It's difficult.

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Re: To Marshall or not to Marshall
Reply #13 - 11/02/09 at 12:34:26
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Markovich wrote on 08/12/09 at 14:37:51:


With such sharp lines there is no substitute for a large and current database.

@gewgaw: 9.Ba5 is strongly met with 9...f6, 9.Bc3 with 9...Ne7.


I gave this a punt yeterday, without really knowing the theory.
What can I say: I was in a 'funny' mood.
The game went 9.Ba5 b6 10.Bc3 f6.
Not critical moves by either side I discovered, but playable.
10.Qd6 for White seems most popular, and 10..Ne7 for Black more usual.
I found myself almost equalizing positionally (plus the extra pawn), but not quite. White (slightly stronger than me), kept up the pressure nicely. My game seemed to revolve around not falling for sacrificial tricks, while trying to swap off his active pieces. I would say the game was 'balanced' until I was over confident in a manouevre which turned out to be a horrendous oversite tactical. Drats!

I'm not sure I'm sharp enough to play this line (though it was just one mistake in this game). You need to be able to calculate and predict all sorts of attacks for the opponent in order to counteract them. It's difficult.
  
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Re: To Marshall or not to Marshall
Reply #12 - 08/12/09 at 22:10:37
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Also Larry Kaufmann's book The chess advantage in Black and white has an entire chapter on the Marshall!!!
  
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Reply #11 - 08/12/09 at 14:59:02
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Chessvibes openings #6 was about this marshall.
  

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Alluren wrote on 08/12/09 at 14:21:21:
Does somebody has some resources to recommend for studying the black side of this gambit ?

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With such sharp lines there is no substitute for a large and current database.

@gewgaw: 9.Ba5 is strongly met with 9...f6, 9.Bc3 with 9...Ne7.
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Does somebody has some resources to recommend for studying the black side of this gambit ?

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Re: To Marshall or not to Marshall
Reply #8 - 08/12/09 at 14:17:23
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1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c6 4. e4 dxe4 5. Nxe4
Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Qxd4 7. Bxb4 Qxe4+ 8. Be2 Na6 9. Bd6 Qxg2!? is the latest fashion and more than complicated, but it seems to favour black; who knows the best line against 9.Ba5 ( 9. ... Qh4!?) and 9.Bc3 ?

  

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Re: To Marshall or not to Marshall
Reply #7 - 08/12/09 at 12:16:08
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Black's practical task, with his lack of development and severe dark-square weaknesses, is quite difficult. But theoretically, Black's stock is rather high. I opine that Black's side of this gambit, well-prepared, is an excellent vehicle for taking the full point.  I am sure that if Schandorff thought that 4.e4 produced an advantage, he would have recommended it in his book, since that way of playing is much more in the spirit of his repertoire.

It would be a shame to toss that away with 4...Bb4, which may not even equalize.  
  

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Re: To Marshall or not to Marshall
Reply #6 - 08/12/09 at 02:59:32
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At the top level, Black seems to be doing pretty well with 4..dxe4.

Don't know how that translates further down.   

Just don't play it against Sergey Volkov, who has a tremendous score as White.
  
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