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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #34 - 08/19/25 at 00:02:14
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FreeRepublic wrote on 07/14/25 at 20:09:19:
With best play, black may be slightly worse in a few lines, but always within a drawing range. Actual play should lead to all three results.

I find all the lines to be interesting. I'm not sure that "always within a drawing range" applies after the main move 8Qd1!. That seems to the most critical continuation. I'll leave it to others to form their own opinions.
  
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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #33 - 07/18/25 at 22:33:42
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FreeRepublic - I've had similar experiences with Chessable. Like you, I don't want to be restricted to just Chessable as my only source for a particular line. This way of working isn't especially compatible with Chessable, which seems to want its users to remain on the platform. So far I haven't found good ways to integrate information from other sources (such as ChessPublishing) or adding engine analysis.

I've adopted an approach of transferring the Chessable lines into ChessBase, but the lack of PGN files turns move input into a tedious process. As you note, at least copy/paste works for the Chessable text comments. I can understand why Chessable is reluctant to provide PGNs - they likely feel it's too easy for unauthorized sharing of their content to occur. On the other hand, Modern Chess freely provides PGN files, so the sharing is apparently less of a concern with them. (One big plus for Chessable is the opportunity to communicate with the course author. On a couple of occasions, the author has added a line or comment as result of our exchange. I don't believe the Modern Chess PGNs are updated in response to user input).

You might be interested to hear that I tried the spaced repetition several years ago. It was in the early days of the pandemic when I was stuck at home with time on my hands. This approach definitely helps with learning the lines, but it's time-consuming for something like a Lifetime Repertoire course where there can be several hundred lines. Because I'm mainly interested in the lines themselves and not memorizing them flawlessly, I dropped the spaced repetition soon after my free time dwindled down.   

I should also note that I access Chessable almost exclusively on my desktop PC. I did use a tablet a few times without much trouble, but that was on an 11" iPad. Perhaps the larger size compared to your tablet reduced the awkwardness you experienced.

You didn't mention it, but Chessable and Modern Chess have become two of the main sources of opening works in recently years.  Thus, using with their material (despite certain limitations) becomes desirable for opening fans like us. The traditional print publishers like Quality Chess, New in Chess, and Everyman (now Popular Chess) have all decreased their production of opening books to varying degrees. As an extreme example, Quality Chess doesn't have a single opening book on its list of upcoming publications. That's quite a contrast from the days when the company had multiple Grandmaster Repertoire volumes on the list. Thinkers Publishing seems to be the last holdout in terms of publishing traditional opening monographs, and they've apparently tweaked the established model by only offering expensive hardcovers with presumably higher profit margins.
  
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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #32 - 07/17/25 at 15:37:24
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Chessable works fine on my PC. I read and play through the lines. I have not used spaced repetition, but that is always an option. For the Lowenthal, I start from white's eighth move and that provides enough repetition for me.

Chessable is awkward on my tiny 8 inch Android tablet, but would probably be fine on a larger tablet.

Although Chessable is a fine medium, this course is not my only resource. I am playing through the lines in Chess Opening Wizard. This way I can combine sources in one file. That has it's pros and cons.

Playing out lines is a tedious process that would have been avoided if PGN (or CB) files were provided. Oh well. There is a lot of explanatory text and I am able to copy and paste, which is a great benefit. 

I notice that GM Williams, co-author, has played the Lowenthal in 2024 and 2025 (through April) and done well.

I recommend this course to anyone interested in the Lowenthal, from either side.
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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #31 - 07/14/25 at 20:09:19
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I went ahead and bought The Killer Löwenthal Sicilian, by GM Simon Williams & by IM Richard Palliser.

Palliser previously analyzed the Lowenthal for Dangerous Weapons - Sicilian. I bought this updated and thorough course out of interest and a bit of nostalgia. 

I've started going through some of the many lines. It's a tactical opening and the authors took full advantage of modern computing to avoid tactical oversights. I think they pushed beyond initial computer judgment in some cases to find better lines. In one critical line, I decided against their first and second choice, and chose their third option to get the line that suited me. I find that some work is required but it's worth it. It's a very interesting variation of the Sicilian defense. Although I haven't finished the course yet, it looks like the Lowenthal remains viable.

With best play, black may be slightly worse in a few lines, but always within a drawing range. Actual play should lead to all three results.
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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #30 - 06/28/25 at 18:24:17
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Ender wrote on 08/20/12 at 17:09:01:
I'm surprised that there is no single book about such interesting variation.

Chessable has The Killer Löwenthal Sicilian, by GM Simon Williams & by IM Richard Palliser:
https://www.chessable.com/the-killer-loewenthal-sicilian/course/271329/
Also a Short and Sweet version:
https://www.chessable.com/short-sweet-lowenthal-sicilian/course/272503/
  
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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #29 - 08/20/12 at 17:09:01
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Thank you. I will check these sources. I'm surprised that there is no single book about such interesting variation.
  

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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #28 - 08/19/12 at 14:17:14
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There was an article by Stefan Buecker not so long ago on Chesscafe on the Lowenthal. Other than that there are the usual sources like Chess Publishing, Kaissiber, NIC Yearbooks, Informants, TWICs etc. 

Without giving too much away I should mention that 8.Qd1 is recommended by De La Villa in 'Dismantling the Sicilian' and 8.Qd2 in Bologan's Repertoire DVD. I understand if you aren't willing to buy a book for their recommendation in one line but you can always analyse the critical lines yourself, of course.
  

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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #27 - 08/18/12 at 13:19:46
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Thank you! I didn't knew this option!

I did not found anything on chessbase www. Is there any book about it? I know DW, but maybe something else?
  

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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #26 - 08/18/12 at 12:28:43
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Ender wrote on 08/18/12 at 11:54:20:
Hi guys! Is there any chessbase DVD about this system?


You can search:
http://chessbase-shop.com/en/new_products
On the left is a link 'Product finder with board'. Red chessy square.
Key in the moves, hey presto.
  
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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #25 - 08/18/12 at 11:54:20
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Hi guys! Is there any chessbase DVD about this system?
  

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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #24 - 11/12/11 at 13:53:49
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Markovich wrote on 11/12/11 at 06:35:07:
From the position shown in #9, 20...Bxf5 21.gxf5 Ne7 22.Rd1 Kc7 23.0-0 Rd6 24.Rde1 and I prefer White. Only the last move is original to me (so far as I know).

I will stand by for some hoop-jumping analysis by Black's partisans.


The first remark is that Black needn't commit himself that early with ...Bxf5. 20...Nf6 certainly makes sense, where "Dangerous Weapons" also go shallow and take immediately on g6, which is certainly not best (giving Black counterplay on the h-file).
The second one is that, since ...f6 is rather forced at some time, Black can omit (in your line) 23...Rd6, and pick 23...f6 instead. Actually both moves featured in a game. After 23...Rd6 white won because he was a stronger (correspondence) player, while after 23...f6 the game was drawn, because both players (not high rated) did not play optimally.
I have put the position after 20.f5 to Arena, and made a 12-rounds match between Deep Rybka 4.1 and Houdini 1.5a. No surprise for me that all games ended in a draw. I can pass you the pgn, if interested (although I guess it's hardly useful, machines cannot grab the positional nuances of such positions).
  
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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #23 - 11/12/11 at 13:30:31
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Glenn Snow wrote on 11/12/11 at 07:08:19:
Off topic still and not that interesting but an important repertoire consideration but mostly I wanted to point out that I meant 3...e5 of course.


3...e5 is a very solid, if somewhat commital/boring answer. I do believe that white has some dim chances of an opening advantage in the opening sequence 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nge2!? e5, where hae can easily switch both knigkts against the d5 square, but with the knight already on f3 the whole concept has less punch.
I was sceptical about puncturing d5 that early, but after discussing the variation in to some detail with GM Stratos Grivas (who is using 3...e5 regularly when White tries to avoid his pet "Grivas Sicilian" with 3.Nc3) I was convinced that Black should be OK.
The other option to avoid bulk mainlines is of course 3...g6, where black has avoided the worst of the Accelerated Dragon bulk of theory (which is the dreaded Maroczy Bind, of course).
  
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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #22 - 11/12/11 at 07:08:19
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Glenn Snow wrote on 11/06/11 at 00:32:27:
If you do decide to go ahead with Lowenthal you will also have to be prepared to face 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 when White has the option of playing d4 unless Black plays 3...d5.
  Off topic still and not that interesting but an important repertoire consideration but mostly I wanted to point out that I meant 3...e5 of course.
  
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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #21 - 11/12/11 at 06:35:07
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From the position shown in #9, 20...Bxf5 21.gxf5 Ne7 22.Rd1 Kc7 23.0-0 Rd6 24.Rde1 and I prefer White. Only the last move is original to me (so far as I know).

I will stand by for some hoop-jumping analysis by Black's partisans.
  

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Re: Lowenthal variation of Sicilian
Reply #20 - 11/11/11 at 21:35:24
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 11/11/11 at 20:34:39:

It was a short, superficial article: www.chesscafe.com/text/kaiss22.pdf which included a flawed analysis of 8.Qc7 (more on the latter in www.chesscafe.com/text/kaiss29.pdf ). The Löwenthal may be slightly better for White, but imo 8.Qd1 is less critical than 8.Qc7. 

After 8.Qd1 ... Qe4+, I didn't mention 11.Be2. By the way, after 11...Nd4 12.Nc7+ Ke7 you also mention 13.Kf1. It seems that Black has a pretty reply: 13...Nxe2 14.Nxa8 Bh3!! 15.gxh3 Nf6 16.Nb6 Rd8 17.Qe1 Qxh1+ 18.Kxe2 Qe4+ 19.Be3 Nh5 20.Qg1 Nf4+ 21.Kf1 Kf8! =.


Ah, thank you! Very helpful.
I was aware of that pretty variation, since it was mentioned in "Dangerous Weapons". However, the author claimed that 17...Qxh1+ is inaccurate, and 17...Qf3 is the way to play. But Houdini had no trouble to find that actually both moves lead to a forced draw.
  
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