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Re: Adelaide versus Vienna
Reply #1 - 08/15/09 at 09:31:52
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Have you compared it to 2...exf4 3.Nf3 f5 ?

Anyhow, I found three games with it - white's opening looks OK in all three, at least when just clicking thru...

[Event "Leiden NK J20"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1998.??.??"]
[Round "3"]
[White "R. Janssen"]
[Black "S. Ernst"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C25"]
[PlyCount "25"]

1. e4 Nc6 2. Nc3 e5 3. f4 exf4 4. Nf3 f5 5. exf5 d5 6. d4 Bxf5 7. Bxf4 Bb4 8.
Bb5 Nge7 9. O-O O-O 10. Ne2 a6 11. Bd3 Bd6 12. Bxd6 Qxd6 13. Ng3 1/2-1/2

[Event "Svetla nad Sazavou op Girls"]
[Site "Svetla nad Sazavou"]
[Date "1997.??.??"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Soukupova, Tereza"]
[Black "Vankova, H."]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C30"]
[PlyCount "60"]
[EventDate "1997.??.??"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "CZE"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2000.11.22"]

1. e4 e5 2. f4 f5 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. Nf3 exf4 5. d4 fxe4 6. Nxe4 d6 7. Bxf4 Bg4 8.
c3 Qe7 9. Qe2 O-O-O 10. O-O-O Re8 11. Re1 Qf7 12. Nxd6+ cxd6 13. Qxe8+ Qxe8 14.
Rxe8+ Nd8 15. Bg5 Nf6 16. Bxf6 gxf6 17. Bc4 Bh6+ 18. Kc2 Rxe8 19. Rf1 Bf5+ 20.
Kb3 Bg6 21. Nh4 Rf8 22. Re1 Re8 23. Rf1 Bg5 24. Nf3 Nc6 25. Bd5 Kc7 26. a4 a6
27. Ka3 b5 28. axb5 axb5 29. b3 Kb6 30. Rc1 Bxc1+ 0-1

[Event "II Open"]
[Site "San Salvador ESA"]
[Date "2003.12.10"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Caminos, Oswaldo"]
[Black "Melendez, Gabriela"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C30"]
[PlyCount "107"]
[EventDate "2003.12.10"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "ESA"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2004.01.05"]

1. e4 e5 2. f4 Nc6 3. Nf3 f5 4. Nc3 exf4 5. e5 d6 6. e6 Bxe6 7. d4 d5 8. Bxf4
Bd6 9. Bxd6 Qxd6 10. Bb5 Nf6 11. O-O O-O 12. Ng5 Ng4 13. g3 Bd7 14. Qd2 Rae8
15. Rae1 Rxe1 16. Rxe1 Re8 17. Rxe8+ Bxe8 18. b3 Nf6 19. Nf3 Ne4 20. Qe3 Bd7
21. Nxd5 Nxd4 22. Bxd7 Nxf3+ 23. Qxf3 Qxd7 24. Qxf5 Qxf5 25. Ne7+ Kf7 26. Nxf5
Kf6 27. Ne3 c6 28. Kf1 b5 29. a3 a5 30. Ke2 Ke5 31. Kd3 h5 32. b4 a4 33. Ng2 g5
34. Ne1 g4 35. Ng2 Nf2+ 36. Ke2 Nh3 37. Ke3 Ng1 38. Ne1 Kd5 39. Kd3 c5 40. c3
cxb4 41. cxb4 Nf3 42. Nxf3 gxf3 43. h3 f2 44. Ke2 f1=Q+ 45. Kxf1 Kc4 46. g4
hxg4 47. hxg4 Kb3 48. g5 Kxa3 49. g6 Kxb4 50. g7 a3 51. g8=Q Ka4 52. Qa2 Kb4
53. Ke2 Ka4 54. Kd3 1-0


On a final note, let me just add a very recent positional KG win, that I haven't seen mentioned here (seems unnecessary to open a new thread just for this) - despite 2.f4 it still gets the ECO "C25"

[Event "HZ Open"]
[Site "Vlissingen NED"]
[Date "2009.08.02"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Zelbel, P."]
[Black "Beliavsky, A."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C25"]
[WhiteElo "2348"]
[BlackElo "2662"]
[PlyCount "77"]
[EventDate "2009.08.01"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "NED"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2009.08.03"]

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 d6 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. d4 g5 6. g3 g4 7. Nh4 f3 8. Be3 Be7
9. Qd2 h6 10. O-O-O Bg5 11. Bb5 Bxe3 12. Qxe3 Qg5 13. Nd5 Nge7 14. Nf5 Bxf5 15.
exf5 O-O-O 16. Qxg5 hxg5 17. Ne3 Nb4 18. f6 Ned5 19. Nxg4 Nxa2+ 20. Kd2 Nab4
21. c3 c6 22. Bc4 Na6 23. Bxd5 cxd5 24. Ke3 Nc7 25. Kxf3 Rde8 26. Rde1 Re6 27.
Rxe6 fxe6 28. h4 Kd7 29. Rh2 gxh4 30. Rxh4 Rf8 31. Rh7+ Kc6 32. Kf4 Ne8 33. f7
Kd7 34. Ke3 Nc7 35. Nf6+ Ke7 36. Ng8+ Kd7 37. g4 e5 38. g5 Ne6 39. g6 1-0

  
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C29: Adelaide versus Vienna
08/14/09 at 20:14:52
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I was wondering about playing a sort of delayed Adelaide against the Vienna, e.g 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 exf4 4.Nf3 f5. Now the lines seem to be:
1) 5.exf5 d5 6.d4 Bxf5 7.Bxf4 which looks drawish. Add the f-pawns and it's a French Exchange. Compared to a normal Adelaide White would rather not have played Nc3.

2) 5.e5 g5 The closest I can find to this position is a line in The Fascinating King's Gambit by Thomas Johansson pp98 except that in his line Bc4 has been played rather than Nc3. He reckons it's a clear edge for Black and this looks even better. After 6.Bc4 g4 7.0-0 gxf3 8.Qxf3 Qh4 I don't see much for the piece.

3) 5.Bc4 fxe4 6.0-0 exf3 7.Qxf3 is another way to sac' a piece, but it looks very optimistic.

4) 5.d3 may be best when a computer generated line is 5...Bb4 6.Bxf4 Nf6 7.e5 Qe7 8.Be2 Nd5 9.Bd2 Bxc3 10.bxc3 Nxe5 11.Nxe5 Qxe5 12.O-O O-O 13.d4 Qe6 14.Bc4 b5 15.Bb3 Bb7 with rough equality

Anyone come across this idea before?
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