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Re: KID strategical repertoire
Reply #17 - 01/16/10 at 08:28:25
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BPaulsen,

Thx for the links.

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In the game you linked white didn't handle it correctly.


But just that's what more likely will happen at my level. :-D
  
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Re: KID strategical repertoire
Reply #16 - 01/16/10 at 00:58:25
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Krasenkow's part 1 is available for free online. 

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5845

http://www.chessbase.com/cbm/cbm132e/cbm132-05/E90_Krasenkow_g.htm#game1

All of the analysis is there.

In the game you linked white didn't handle it correctly.
  
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Re: KID strategical repertoire
Reply #15 - 01/15/10 at 17:01:15
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BPaulsen,

I don't have access to CBM's. But anyway, please, look at this game, which I haven't seen before, but it is seems really interesting 

http://www.365chess.com/view_game.php?g=3400742
  
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Re: KID strategical repertoire
Reply #14 - 01/15/10 at 13:45:34
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Holbox wrote on 01/15/10 at 08:58:21:
BPaulsen,

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I suggest you get a concrete idea against 6. h3


What's the point of 6.h3?

To avoid any kind of "standard" counterplay in the king's side after the center is closed (this is my thought). 

Then why should black play 6...e5? Play on the queen side, "a la Byrne", and then 6.h3 could turn out to be a useful move..., or not. 


6. h3 is a useful move, especially as far as white's dark squared bishop is concerned, given a thematic idea is Bg5 (to slow black's K-side play), and then if ...h6 then Be3 is feasible due to no ...Ng4, and white can gain a future tempo with Qd2 because of the h6 pawn.

After 6. h3 e5 7. d5 in some ways it represents an improved Petrosian variation (6. Be2 e5 7. d5).

Alternatives to 6...e5 are theoretically lacking, see Krasenkow's part 1 of his CBM series on the 6. h3 KID. The Byrne method is examined there, and found lacking.
  
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Re: KID strategical repertoire
Reply #13 - 01/15/10 at 08:58:21
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BPaulsen,

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I suggest you get a concrete idea against 6. h3


What's the point of 6.h3?

To avoid any kind of "standard" counterplay in the king's side after the center is closed (this is my thought). 

Then why should black play 6...e5? Play on the queen side, "a la Byrne", and then 6.h3 could turn out to be a useful move..., or not. 
  
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Re: KID strategical repertoire
Reply #12 - 01/15/10 at 00:22:56
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I suggest you get a concrete idea against 6. h3, or you're going to lose badly when you do face it. It doesn't play like typical KID lines, and part of the reason for its success is exactly that. The most critical line is likely 6. h3 e5 7. d5 a5, given Krasenkow is treating it as the main line in his series of CBM articles.

Someone suggested the Na6 variation of the Classical - definitely not strategical in any sense of the word following the 10. c5 line. Nbd7 doesn't have any line that's as hairy that white can pick.

Mar Del Plata is a boatload of theory not everyone wants, and black is struggling in some lines anyway, so it's not like his choice of Nbd7 is bad.
  
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Reply #11 - 01/14/10 at 17:46:20
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Mark,

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Why don't you want to play the Mar del Plata?


I don't know..., probably because I feel other options are easier to play.
  
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Re: KID strategical repertoire
Reply #10 - 01/14/10 at 16:05:20
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Holbox wrote on 09/03/09 at 11:37:20:
I'm building a repertoire arround de KID after playing it for some time without any concrete research (Starting Out the KID and Gufeld Ond the KID where my only sources). I would like to play mostly strategical variations not too theoretical because I don't need that kind of stuff. I'm looking for sources of information about this lines (What about Chesspublishing?)

Classical (6...Nbd7 , 7...e5. I don't want Queen exchanges)
Samisch (5...c6, 6...a6, 7...b5, Byrne variation)
Petrosjan (is it possible? I won't play Nc6)
Averbaj (6...Na6, 7...Qe8, 8...e5)
4Pawns (6...Na6, 7...e5)
Fianchetto (is the Byrne scheme an option? What else? I have played Simagin variation but at the end I don't like to give up my light squared bishop)
Smyslov (is the Byrne scheme an option? is Na6, with the idea of e5, an option?)

I don't want to play Panno lines with ...Na5 nor Gallager stuff against the Fianchetto.

What do you think about this lines? I think they should be fully playable at all. I would like to get some good comented games on this lines. Where can i find them?

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Reply #9 - 01/14/10 at 12:39:06
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thidbd13,

5...c6 means black has not castled yet. White's attack on the King's side will go to nowhere if there is not the Black King there. Obviously Panno and ...c5 gambit are the main lines because they should be more critical.
  
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Re: KID strategical repertoire
Reply #8 - 01/14/10 at 11:02:21
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Holbox wrote on 09/03/09 at 11:37:20:

Classical (6...Nbd7 , 7...e5. I don't want Queen exchanges)
Samisch (5...c6, 6...a6, 7...b5, Byrne variation)
Petrosjan (is it possible? I won't play Nc6)
Averbaj (6...Na6, 7...Qe8, 8...e5)
4Pawns (6...Na6, 7...e5)
Fianchetto (is the Byrne scheme an option? What else? I have played Simagin variation but at the end I don't like to give up my light squared bishop)
Smyslov (is the Byrne scheme an option? is Na6, with the idea of e5, an option?)

I have plaid the Sämisch with white and I would not recommend the Byrne variation unless you are a bit masochistic. By playing a6, c6 and b5, you lose a lot of time and do not really prepare aggressive measures on the Q-side. White has then the time to build up a strong attack on the K-side and must not be too afraid of what is happening on the Q-side (he must well know what he is doing).
If you want to make it really difficult for white, I'd go for the c5 gambit or for the panno with pawn sacrifice.
  
Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: KID strategical repertoire
Reply #7 - 01/13/10 at 08:57:36
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Hi people,

I don't have the DW book on the KID but I'm interested in what conclusion they arrived in the Classical (6...Nbd7 , 7...e5, or reversing the move order). Somewhere i read they recomend ...Re8, ...Bf8, ...Nh5-g6, ...f5

Is this chapter worth the money?

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Re: KID strategical repertoire
Reply #6 - 09/03/09 at 16:06:01
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Holbox wrote on 09/03/09 at 15:29:10:

Will,

why the Grunfeld against the fianchetto?

Thx

Firstly it is quite strategical, secondly you avoid all those kid lines with c5 like the Gallagher, thirdly you have more options as black in these KID lines. Many KID players also play this way as they are at a loss in the fianchetto lines of the KID (Gallagher makes a comment about wanting to resign as soon as he saw g3).
  
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Reply #5 - 09/03/09 at 15:33:06
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Kylemeiter,

I didn't know about this variation ( the Kavalek). I will look for some games in the CB because i don't have any clue about how the game develops.

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Re: KID strategical repertoire
Reply #4 - 09/03/09 at 15:29:10
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TN, 
against the Kramer I think that a good option should be not to castle too quickly and play a Byrne setup (...c6, ...a6, ...b5). Against the Makogonov, which I think I will meet rarely, I don't have any clue probably the Byrne setup can be an option: white tries to block the king's side but black plays on the queen's side.

Will,

why the Grunfeld against the fianchetto?

Thx
  
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Re: KID strategical repertoire
Reply #3 - 09/03/09 at 15:22:49
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Against the Fianchetto, I'd be inclined to suggest the Kavalek variation (6...c6 and 7...Qa5).  For an overview of all KID variations and their approximate evaluations, a possible source is of course ECO.
  
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