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TonyRo God Member Offline I'm gonna crack your skull! Posts: 1846 Location: Cleveland, OH Joined: 11/26/07 Gender:	Re: Best Defense against an English Opening Reply #11 - 10/01/09 at 14:22:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	I also disagree that English players hate to play against 1...e5. English players live to play the Reversed Sicilian lines! If I had to pick a line that I hate playing against, it would be the KID setup or the Symmetrical, and I'd guess that that's exactly how most English players feel about it.


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Antillian God Member Offline Brilliance without dazzle! Posts: 1757 Joined: 01/05/03 Gender:	Re: Best Defense against an English Opening Reply #10 - 10/01/09 at 14:18:23	Post Tools	Print Post
	English players hate to face 1...e5? Mihael Marin tells an interesting anecdote in his new book: "Grandmaster Repertoire 3" about players often specifically preparing 1..e5 against him to punish his English opening. Almost invariably, he said he triumphed. Personally, I played 1. c4 exclusively on my return to chess several years ago and I looked forward most to playing against 1...e5. (1...c6 was the move I least looked forward to)

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HoemberChess God Member Offline Posts: 512 Location: Lake d4 on Planet Chess Joined: 10/08/07 Gender:	Re: Best Defense against an English Opening Reply #9 - 10/01/09 at 13:44:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	As many have stated, 1..e5 is the most principled answer to 1.c4--the move most 1.c4-players hate to face. As TN wrote above, why not try the Reversed Sicilian Four Knights with ..Bb4? Free piece play, quick and easy development, Black gets his fair share of the center and often even more (..e4). You often get an attack on the kingside... You can often damage White's pawn structure (..Bxc3) and then start exchanging pieces... White has to pay attention to your moves from the very beginning. I started to study this not too long ago and have played it a few times against u2100-players and they were absolutely confused and spent a lot of time even finding theoretical moves. If you, like me, play the Bogo-Indian and/or the Zurich Variation of the Nimzo-Indian Defense, it's all the better. The set-up w/ ..Bb4 is recommended in Khalifman's 2001 repertoire book, Openings for Black According to Karpov.

	as W 1d4) Torre/Barry/Pirc/Philidor/ early _d5:early c4(QGD/Slav/QGD/etc) B) 1e4:e6 [+1_c5 2Nf3 a6]\| 1d4:e6 2c4 Bb4+ BID/pseudoNID [+1_Nf6 NID]\| 1c4:c5,_Nc6,_e5,_g6\| 1Nf3:c5
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ayen YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 9 Joined: 09/26/09	Re: Best Defense against an English Opening Reply #8 - 10/01/09 at 04:42:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	Against 1.d4 my favorite defense is Czech Benoni , but sometimes i also played Benko Gambit and Slav, but when i white i previously preferred E-4, however due to lack of time studying a lot of opening nuisances, i started playing the Kings Englis (1. c4..2. g3). I saw this opening a month ago at Chessbase site, and it gives me a lot of rating points at ICC, i peaked last month at 2476 at blitz. Although i must admit that my understanding of this opening is still superficial at the moment, but oh boy! i defeated a lot of IM's ang some GM's using it. But yesterday i meet a very strong player,a nd exposed me that my understanding of the opening is still in its infancy. I got a good lesson anyway, and now im already convinced that i should buy the DVD Fritz trainer authored by Nigel Davies.


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10778 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Best Defense against an English Opening Reply #7 - 09/27/09 at 20:36:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	TN wrote on 09/27/09 at 08:46:01: @MNb That is a good practical option, but against several of these setups White can fight for an advantage in the independent English/Reti lines, e.g. 1.c4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3 Nf6 4.Nc3 a la Gurevich, 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3.e4 (Mikenas Attack) and the Qa4+ Anti-Grunfeld. However, White cannot really fight for an advantage against the King's Indian (via. a 1...Nf6 move order) without transposing to 1.d4 territory. However, White can contend for an advantage in the 1...c5 and 1...e5 variations as well. That's why I wrote "usually". Still I doubt if Black's chances for equality in the Gurevich line are worse than after the independent 1...c5 and 1...e5, which require much more work. In case of the NID/QID I completely agree with you, partly because of the Mikenas indeed. I never have known what to think of the Qa4+ Anti-Grünfeld. In addition Black also has problems to reach the QGA after 1.c4 . I mainly hoped that Ayen would reveal what (s)he intends after 1.d4, but until now in vain. Until then I doubt if this thread will result in something substantial.

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Fllg God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 647 Joined: 05/30/09 Gender:	Re: Best Defense against an English Opening Reply #6 - 09/27/09 at 12:09:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	ayen wrote on 09/26/09 at 03:11:39: "i usually go for the hedgehog" Do you combine this with the Nimzo/QID vs. d4? If so then you don´t have many independent possibilities which fit vs. 1.c4 as well as 1.Nf3/2.c4. You may want to take a look at Richard Pallisers book "Beating unusual chess openings" where he offers a repertoire vs. 1.c4 and 1.Nf3 based on a Botvinnik-Setup with c5, Nc6, e5, g6, Bg7, Nge7.


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battleangel Ex Member	Re: Best Defense against an English Opening Reply #5 - 09/27/09 at 11:31:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	tbh. I don't like ... e5 followed by Bb4 for flack. white is supersolid on kingside and pressurizes black on queenside, and there is not much black can do against that ... also when looking up the common Bb4 move order white wins quite often on gm level ... another problem with ... e5 against c4 is when white commences with 1. Nf3 and after that plays c4, you have to learn another system, that probably also can be applied against 1.c4 ... I myself I don't want to have any redundancy in my repertoire (that is also why do not understand why there are people playing budapest and albin, they can only be played against d4 c4, if white plays Nf3, they have to play something else, that is also playable against the normal d4 c4 ...)


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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: Best Defense against an English Opening Reply #4 - 09/27/09 at 08:46:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	Gambit wrote on 09/27/09 at 03:50:36: Try unorthodox lines, such as 1 c4 g5 (Myers Defense) or 1 c4 b5!? , the Halibut (aka English Wing) Gambit. 1.c4 g5, whilst objectively second-rate, is not bad as a surprise weapon, particularly if White falls for 2.d4 Bg7 3.Bg5?! c5! when already Black is doing very well, but 1.c4 b5? is just bad as Black is throwing away a pawn and not achieving any notable compensation for it. Compare with the Sicilian and English Wing Gambits, where White has a useful extra move in comparison and still fails to obtain sufficient compensation. @MNb That is a good practical option, but against several of these setups White can fight for an advantage in the independent English/Reti lines, e.g. 1.c4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3 Nf6 4.Nc3 a la Gurevich, 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3.e4 (Mikenas Attack) and the Qa4+ Anti-Grunfeld. However, White cannot really fight for an advantage against the King's Indian (via. a 1...Nf6 move order) without transposing to 1.d4 territory. However, White can contend for an advantage in the 1...c5 and 1...e5 variations as well.

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Gambit God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 1397 Location: Newark Joined: 07/26/05 Gender:	Re: Best Defense against an English Opening Reply #3 - 09/27/09 at 03:50:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	Try unorthodox lines, such as 1 c4 g5 (Myers Defense) or 1 c4 b5!? , the Halibut (aka English Wing) Gambit.


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10778 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Best Defense against an English Opening Reply #2 - 09/27/09 at 00:35:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	Usually Black's best option is heading for a transposition to your 1.d4 defence.

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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: Best Defense against an English Opening Reply #1 - 09/26/09 at 03:39:44	Post Tools	Print Post
	There are several strong defences to the English Opening. 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 (3.g3 Bb4) 3...Nc6 would be my recommendation as it probably has the best theoretical reputation at present. Both the ...Bb4 and ...d5 systems are entirely respectable, so it comes down to a matter of taste which of these options you implement.

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ayen YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 9 Joined: 09/26/09	Best Defense against an English Opening 09/26/09 at 03:11:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	what is the best variation to combat the english defense, i usually go for the hedgehog but somehow im bored with it for the moment


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