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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #77 - 05/06/10 at 18:06:57
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This is getting annoying. What the eff is taking so damn long to get that BDG book out?! In the interval, I have already written Part One of my book on the Zilbermints Gambit in the Euwe Defense to the BDG. It was published in Unorthodox Openings Newletter #25. The second part has been submitted for publication already. I am told it will appear in UON #27.

Get that BDG book out, Christopher Shreer! Make it snappy!
  
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #76 - 05/06/10 at 12:32:27
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BDG Lover wrote on 05/05/10 at 20:40:27:
more waiting then Sad

And I suppose that also means more waiting for his promised BDG article for ChessPublishing! Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #75 - 05/05/10 at 20:40:27
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Thanks Tony, more waiting then Sad
  
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Reply #74 - 05/05/10 at 20:30:16
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It's back on the "Coming Soon" page, but there's no excerpt up still, so don't be surprised to see it drop off for another month or so. Sad
  
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Reply #73 - 05/05/10 at 20:26:44
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When is this book ever coming out?????  Has anyone got info on this Undecided
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #72 - 01/16/10 at 22:13:46
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Yes, 5...Nbd7 is also a good move.  I don't think Black is objectively better here, e.g. 6.Bd3 e5 7.Qe2 Nxe4 8.Nxe4 Bd6 9.Ne2 Nf6 10.Qh4, but Black's position looks a little easier to play.  Another convincing reason to ditch 5.Nxe4 instead of 5.Bc4.
  
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #71 - 01/16/10 at 22:06:16
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Gambit wrote on 01/16/10 at 18:41:05:
The article exists, all right. I suppose I will have to re-scan it and send it out to you.

Like you promised about a dozen times before.

Gambit wrote on 01/16/10 at 18:41:05:
Second, I can play whatever I want. I never said that I played the Pirc Defense, just the double-fianchetto, a.k.a. the Hippo.

When did I try to forbid you to play 1...g6 ? You are fighting a strawman. Your insulting comments were about 1...g6, judgemental as you are. Completely like expected you are too .... to admit it.

Gambit wrote on 01/16/10 at 18:41:05:
Regarding the 4...c6 line in the BDG, White can certainly play 5 Nxe4. How does Black have an edge? You have not demonstrated that to me, MNb.

Writes the champion of unbacked claims. Moreover you have a problem with reading. I wrote "if anyone", which means that it is in my eyes possible that White can maintain equality. If Black is not satisfied with this there is always 4...exf3 5.Nxf3 c6 when 6.Bc4 must be best (6.Bd3 g6 and 6.Bd3 Bg4).
  
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #70 - 01/16/10 at 21:22:23
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On 5. Nxe4, Nbd7 is a natural move after which I'd rather be Black.  But I'm probably repeating myself too.
  
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #69 - 01/16/10 at 20:55:28
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Just recapping on my old analysis:

(1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 c6 5.Nxe4):

A.  5...Nxe4 6.fxe4 e5 7.Nf3 Be6!.  A suggestion of Bucker, instead of 7...exd4 8.Bc4 Qa5+ (8...Bb4+ 9.c3! dxc3 10.Bxf7+ +/-) 9.Bd2 Qc5 10.Qe2 with decent compensation.  Then perhaps 8.c3 Nd7 9.Bd3 Qb6 =.

B.  5...Bf5 6.Nxf6+ (or 6.Bd3 Qxd4 7.Nf3 Qb6 and White has some compensation) 6...exf6 7.Bd3 =

C.  5...e5!?  This is the problem line I found, forcing simplification: 6.Nxf6+ (6.dxe5 Qxd1+ 7.Kxd4 Nxe4 8.fxe4 Be6 and 6.Bg5 exd4 7.c3 Be7 may both even give Black the edge) 6...Qxf6 7.dxe5 Qxe5+ 8.Qe2 Qxe2+ 9.Bxe2 =.

I used to be an advocate of 5.Nxe4 but these days I'm very much with Stefan Bucker that 5.Bc4 is the way to go- I wouldn't mind facing line A with White, but line C puts me off the whole 5.Nxe4 line completely.
  
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #68 - 01/16/10 at 19:10:49
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I wonder if there is any Caro-Kann book that actually mentions 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 de 4. Nxe4 Nf6 5. f3.  I'd be inclined to award =+ based on the sheer ugliness of it.
  
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #67 - 01/16/10 at 18:41:05
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The article exists, all right. I suppose I will have to re-scan it and send it out to you.

Second, I can play whatever I want. I never said that I played the Pirc Defense, just the double-fianchetto, a.k.a. the Hippo. Try this: 1 e4 b6  2 d4 g6 3 Be3 Bg7
4 Qd2 h6 5 Nc3 Bg7 6 Bc4 Bb7 7 f3 e6 8 Nh3 a6 9 a4 Nd7

My point is that I fianchetto both Bishops, not just the Bf8. That is the key difference from the Pirc Defense.

Regarding the 4...c6 line in the BDG, White can certainly play 5 Nxe4. How does Black have an edge? You have not demonstrated that to me, MNb.
  
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #66 - 01/15/10 at 21:07:38
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Gambit wrote on 01/07/10 at 22:59:04:
As for the annoying 4...c6/5...c6 lines, there is more than enough written on the subject already.

Laddie, not by you - I regard that 6.a3 article you have been boasting about as a phoney now I have waited for almost a year on it in vain.

Gambit wrote on 01/07/10 at 22:59:04:
FYI, after 4...c6, White can simply play 5 Nxe4.

and if anyone has an edge, then Black.

Gambit wrote on 01/07/10 at 22:59:04:
Finally, let me say that I decided to test 1 e4 g6

As I wrote, quite remarkable given your insulting comments on this move in the past. Admitting something like this is perhaps not your strongest point?
  
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #65 - 01/14/10 at 20:07:34
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Actually, the main reason I have so many blitz games with Zilbermints Gambit in the Euwe Defense to BDG
is because that linr does not pop up in OTB tournaments much. More chance of it in blitz games on ICC, though.
  
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Reply #64 - 01/14/10 at 11:38:05
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I thought Stefan Bucker had come out with a suitable response to the early ...c6 lines- after 4...c6 5.Bc4 exf3 6.Nxf3 Bf5, White has 7.Bg5 e6 (else 8.Qe2 and 9.0-0-0 with reasonable compensation) and then 8.Nh4!? (rather than 8.Qe2 Bb4!).  Perhaps a little slower than many BDG-ers would like, but sufficient for dynamically equal play.  If 4...exf3 5.Nxf3 c6, White can transpose with 6.Bc4 but also has the alternative 6.Bd3.

The Zilbermints Gambit in the Euwe Defence is a good blitz weapon but objectively it is unsound.  Last time I was involved in an analysis of it, most lines led to -/+ with best play.

I agree with Stefan Bucker that while 4...c6 5.Nxe4 is playable and equal it doesn't offer much to the gambit enthusiast.  There is 5...Nxe4 6.fxe4 e5 7.Nf3 Be6!, and there are other problems (I recall an early ...e5 line- perhaps 5...e5 immediately- which left White with nothing better than a lot of simplification).
  
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #63 - 01/07/10 at 22:59:04
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CraigEvans wrote on 01/07/10 at 11:31:53:
Indeed, I find Lev's avoidance of a "book" on the ...c6 lines as a hint that even he has no real faith in white's prospects here, against correct play. A book holds little interest if it does not hold up to analytical scrutiny, after all...

Also, I wonder if the articles on the ZGED will contain the refutations found by forum members here. I think not, somehow...


Dude, that was Part 1 of 2! And it was the Euwe Defense, which is what I am writing about. Regarding these so-called refutations, I suggest you wait for Part 2.

I do not appreciate you putting words and opinions in my mouth that I do not subscribe to. To you, correct play is having a Rybka or Fritz chess engine help you out. To me, it is making my opponent think over-the-board, without the benefit of a computer. You see, in OTB tournaments, you cannot use a computer! Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha...

As for the annoying 4...c6/5...c6 lines, there is more than enough written on the subject already. I understand IM Christopher Scheerer will have a book out on the BDG. How about we wait and see what he has to offer?

FYI, after 4...c6, White can simply play 5 Nxe4.

Finally, let me say that I decided to test "The Hippo", an interesting opening. It occurs after 1 e4 g6 2 d4 d6
3 Nf3 b6, 4 Bc4 Bg7 5 Be3 Bb7 6 Qd2 h6.

I have played it in OTB tournament games and scored pretty well with it. My point is that it is different from the Pirc/Robatsch/Modern Defences in that both Bishops are fianchettoed, not just one. Interesting stuff!

Other lines I like to play include the Kevitz-Trajkovic (aka Black Knights Tango, Mexican Defense) 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 Nc6!?; the Marshall Defense, Flank Gambit, against the Queen's Gambit Declined, 1 d4 d5 2 c4 Nf6 3 cxd4 b5!?

I like variety in unorthodox, little-played openings, you know?
  
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