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Reply #227 - 08/11/11 at 18:35:34
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I just realised that my attempt at humour has led to the thread going completely off-topic.  Embarrassed
  

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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #226 - 08/11/11 at 17:51:35
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TN wrote on 08/10/11 at 11:43:36:
Always question the moves with exclamation marks attached to them.  Grin


Always question a move with any decoration attached to it.  Decorations in chess notation are vastly overused, and most often they're used to cut criticism short.  Caveat emptor.

You wonder why they're used at all, since if they're accompanied by enough analysis to justify them, they're superfluous.
  

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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #225 - 08/10/11 at 15:25:33
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I think we should congratulate LDZ with his excellence defence after the clumsy loss of a pawn at such an early stage. Not everybody would have found those 6 strong moves to reach a draw against a stronger opponent.
  

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Reply #224 - 08/10/11 at 14:13:52
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Exclamations are ultimately pointless anyway. As Dr. Hübner pointed out, there are only the correct move and all the other, inferior ones, so '?!', '?' and '??' should suffice!  Wink

Now that makes for very boring annotations. But it's more worrying when people present a spectacular win (often with a dubious gambit or other offbeat opening) without ever stopping to consider where the loser went wrong.
  

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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #223 - 08/10/11 at 12:54:22
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Gambit wrote on 08/10/11 at 12:44:11:
White has a great game with the BDG. I do not see the validity of your argument.


Not doubting that, but I would think white would have won the game if the exclamation score is 6-0 in his favor.
  
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Reply #222 - 08/10/11 at 12:44:11
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White has a great game with the BDG. I do not see the validity of your argument.
  
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Reply #221 - 08/10/11 at 11:46:53
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TN wrote on 08/10/11 at 11:43:36:
Schaakhamster wrote on 08/10/11 at 11:22:20:
Gambit wrote on 08/02/11 at 04:54:11:
Recently I had to play against the ...c6 Teichmann-Gunderam Defense. Here is the game.

1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 exf3 5 Nxf3 Bg4 6 h3 Bh5 7 g4 Bg6 8 Ne5 c6

Gunderam Defense.

9 h4! Nbd7

Here Scheerer gives 10 Qe2! as best. That might well be true, but I only found out after the game. Experience told me another move was possible.

10 Nxg6 hxg6

11 g5 Nh5 12 Qf3 Qc7

Hoping for cheapos on g3. Oh no, you don't!

13 Ne4! e5 14 Bc4 Nb6 15 Bb3 ed 16 00 Nd5 17 c4! dc 18 bc 000 19 Qxf7 Qb6+ 20 Qf2! Qxf2 21 Rxf2 Be7 22 Bd2 Rhe8 23 Kg2 Ba3 24 Re1 Re7 25 Bc2 R8e8 26 c4 Nb6 27 c5! Nc4 28 Nd6+! Nxd6 29 Rxe7 Rxe7 30 cxd6 Bxd6 31 Bxg6  drawn, Zilbermints - NM David Hua (2217) Westfield, NJ, Quads, 31 July 2011.

After 31...Ng3 32 Bf4! (Hua) Bxf4 33 Kxf4 Ne2 34 Rf8+ Kd7 35 h5 Re7, the game is drawish.


6 exclamations marks for white and none for black and still it is only a draw?


Always question the moves with exclamation marks attached to them.  Grin

This means that BDG is lost for white by default.  Wink And not less than six exceptional moves can save them..  Cheesy
  
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Reply #220 - 08/10/11 at 11:43:36
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Schaakhamster wrote on 08/10/11 at 11:22:20:
Gambit wrote on 08/02/11 at 04:54:11:
Recently I had to play against the ...c6 Teichmann-Gunderam Defense. Here is the game.

1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 exf3 5 Nxf3 Bg4 6 h3 Bh5 7 g4 Bg6 8 Ne5 c6

Gunderam Defense.

9 h4! Nbd7

Here Scheerer gives 10 Qe2! as best. That might well be true, but I only found out after the game. Experience told me another move was possible.

10 Nxg6 hxg6

11 g5 Nh5 12 Qf3 Qc7

Hoping for cheapos on g3. Oh no, you don't!

13 Ne4! e5 14 Bc4 Nb6 15 Bb3 ed 16 00 Nd5 17 c4! dc 18 bc 000 19 Qxf7 Qb6+ 20 Qf2! Qxf2 21 Rxf2 Be7 22 Bd2 Rhe8 23 Kg2 Ba3 24 Re1 Re7 25 Bc2 R8e8 26 c4 Nb6 27 c5! Nc4 28 Nd6+! Nxd6 29 Rxe7 Rxe7 30 cxd6 Bxd6 31 Bxg6  drawn, Zilbermints - NM David Hua (2217) Westfield, NJ, Quads, 31 July 2011.

After 31...Ng3 32 Bf4! (Hua) Bxf4 33 Kxf4 Ne2 34 Rf8+ Kd7 35 h5 Re7, the game is drawish.


6 exclamations marks for white and none for black and still it is only a draw?


Always question the moves with exclamation marks attached to them.  Grin
  

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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #219 - 08/10/11 at 11:22:20
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Gambit wrote on 08/02/11 at 04:54:11:
Recently I had to play against the ...c6 Teichmann-Gunderam Defense. Here is the game.

1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 exf3 5 Nxf3 Bg4 6 h3 Bh5 7 g4 Bg6 8 Ne5 c6

Gunderam Defense.

9 h4! Nbd7

Here Scheerer gives 10 Qe2! as best. That might well be true, but I only found out after the game. Experience told me another move was possible.

10 Nxg6 hxg6

11 g5 Nh5 12 Qf3 Qc7

Hoping for cheapos on g3. Oh no, you don't!

13 Ne4! e5 14 Bc4 Nb6 15 Bb3 ed 16 00 Nd5 17 c4! dc 18 bc 000 19 Qxf7 Qb6+ 20 Qf2! Qxf2 21 Rxf2 Be7 22 Bd2 Rhe8 23 Kg2 Ba3 24 Re1 Re7 25 Bc2 R8e8 26 c4 Nb6 27 c5! Nc4 28 Nd6+! Nxd6 29 Rxe7 Rxe7 30 cxd6 Bxd6 31 Bxg6  drawn, Zilbermints - NM David Hua (2217) Westfield, NJ, Quads, 31 July 2011.

After 31...Ng3 32 Bf4! (Hua) Bxf4 33 Kxf4 Ne2 34 Rf8+ Kd7 35 h5 Re7, the game is drawish.


6 exclamations marks for white and none for black and still it is only a draw?
  
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #218 - 08/10/11 at 10:18:25
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I should mention that Cristoph decided to revamp the game annotations for the last update, so anyone who downloaded these in the first few days should download them again and replace the first version. Wink
  
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #217 - 08/02/11 at 04:54:11
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Recently I had to play against the ...c6 Teichmann-Gunderam Defense. Here is the game.

1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 exf3 5 Nxf3 Bg4 6 h3 Bh5 7 g4 Bg6 8 Ne5 c6

Gunderam Defense.

9 h4! Nbd7

Here Scheerer gives 10 Qe2! as best. That might well be true, but I only found out after the game. Experience told me another move was possible.

10 Nxg6 hxg6

11 g5 Nh5 12 Qf3 Qc7

Hoping for cheapos on g3. Oh no, you don't!

13 Ne4! e5 14 Bc4 Nb6 15 Bb3 ed 16 00 Nd5 17 c4! dc 18 bc 000 19 Qxf7 Qb6+ 20 Qf2! Qxf2 21 Rxf2 Be7 22 Bd2 Rhe8 23 Kg2 Ba3 24 Re1 Re7 25 Bc2 R8e8 26 c4 Nb6 27 c5! Nc4 28 Nd6+! Nxd6 29 Rxe7 Rxe7 30 cxd6 Bxd6 31 Bxg6  drawn, Zilbermints - NM David Hua (2217) Westfield, NJ, Quads, 31 July 2011.

After 31...Ng3 32 Bf4! (Hua) Bxf4 33 Kxf4 Ne2 34 Rf8+ Kd7 35 h5 Re7, the game is drawish.
  
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #216 - 07/24/11 at 10:17:44
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I agree that Black stands very well after 8.g4 Bd7 9.Bxd6 cxd6 10.Qxb7 Nc6! (this is closely analogous to the Englund Gambit, when Bc3??/Bc6?? is a common error).  Here 11.Bb5 doesn't work due to 11...Rb8 12.Qa6 Nxd4, but if 11.0-0-0 then Black puts more pressure on b2 and d4 with 11...Rb8 12.Qa6 Bg7.

I agree with 8.g4 Bd7 9.0-0-0 Bg7 (or vice versa) when 10.Qg3 does look interesting.
  
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Reply #215 - 07/24/11 at 10:15:10
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Glenn Snow wrote on 07/24/11 at 09:20:32:
(which I've been calling the Kosten birthday variation)

Lol Wink
  
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Reply #214 - 07/24/11 at 09:20:32
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After 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 Bf5 5.fxe4 Nxe4 6.Qf3 Nd6 7.Bf4 g6!? (which I've been calling the Kosten birthday variation) I think White does best to play either:

A. 8.0-0-0 Bg7 9.Be5, or

B. 8.g4 Bd7 9.0-0-0 Bg7 (Whites 8th and 9th could be reversed me thinks) 10.Qg3

With about equal play which still makes 7...g6 an important move.  Has this really not been played or thought of before?
  
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Reply #213 - 07/24/11 at 07:06:00
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10. - Bc6?
10. - Nc6 is the natural developing move and white is in a really difficult position imo. 2 Bishops, safer King, better development, better pawn position, all this is on the black account.

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