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Re: Budapest Tango
Reply #2 - 10/27/09 at 13:02:00
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Yes, I'm guessing the idea would be 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 e5.  It's a similarly flawed idea to 1.d4 Nc6 2.Nf3 e5? (suggested elsewhere on the forum) when the idea is presumably to play an Englund Gambit after 3.dxe5, but instead 3.Nxe5 is a slight improvement and 3.d5! followed by 4.Nxe5 wins a pawn for next to nothing.

The d4-d5 push is the reason why 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 scuppers the idea of playing a Budapest.  In contrast, for an Albin player, 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 can be met by 3...e5 as 4.d5 is not possible.
  
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Re: Budapest Tango
Reply #1 - 10/27/09 at 11:17:59
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If you play 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 you need to be prepared for the Budapest anyway after 2...e5. So if 2...Nc6 3.Nf3 e5 you could just play 3.dxe5 and use your Budapest preparation. By the same token, this would be a rather strange move order for Black! Why not just 2...e5? I can imagine though a move order 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 e5 for a Black player desperate to play the Budapest.

4.d5 looks strong:
* 4...e4 5.dxc6 exf3 6.cxb7 Bxb7 7.exf3 just looks terrible for Black. All of Black's queenside pawns are going to be targets.
* 4...Ne7 5.Nxe5 c6 6.Nc3 cxd5 and now I think easiest is 7.cxd5 Nexd5 8.Nxf7! Kxf7 9.Nxd5 Qa5+ 10.Nc3 d5 11.e3 and White remains a healthy pawn up. Or 6...d6 7.Nf3 cxd5 8.cxd5 Qa5 9.Bd2 Nexd5 10.e4 with a solid plus.
  
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Budapest Tango
10/27/09 at 00:15:42
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In the Two Knights Tango, after 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 Nc6 3 Nf3 the normal move is 3...e6.  But can Black play 3...e5 as if it were a Budapest with ...Nc6 and Nf3 tossed in?  4 dxe5 Ng4 would transpose to a known Budapest position.  Therefore the independent significance of the Budapest Tango comes after 4 Nxe5 (played 1 time) or 4 d5 (played 11 times according to chessok). 
The 4 Nxe5 game was Hugger--Nafe, 1995, which went 4 Nxe5 Nxe5 5 dxe5 Ng4 6 Bf4 Bb4.  Play could also go 6...g5 7 Bg3 Bg7.
The 4 d5 line could go 4...e4 5 dxc6 exf3 6 cxb7 Bxb7 7 exf3.  Tempone--Olivieri, 1996 is an example of the 5 dxc6 line.
What do you think of the Budapest Tango?
Should I prepare for this as white?
  
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