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Reply #30 - 03/18/10 at 15:11:46
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Rimfaxe wrote on 03/18/10 at 14:27:35:
If you want to learn the classical defence your could start with this article.
http://correspondencechess.com/campbell/hard/h990517.htm

It is quite old but very good, and a good place to start learning the classical defence. And it is free!

I don't think any books published for many years have so good a coverage of the Classical Spanish as these articles, and after all I don't think theory have changed much during the last decade in this opening anyway.


I'm flattered by that, but anyone should be very careful, because I have since discovered that the method of play I recommended after 5.Nxe5 is not sound in all variations.  I explained why some time ago in a thread here, but it's too much trouble to unearth it.

Also since that writeup is old, there is scant treatment of White's popular Qd3 in the more positional line.  Contrary to your assertion, theory has moved forward.  You could take my work as an intro, but I would recommend you look at the updates here and also get Sokolov's Spanish book.
  

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Reply #29 - 03/18/10 at 14:27:35
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If you want to learn the classical defence your could start with this article.
http://correspondencechess.com/campbell/hard/h990517.htm

It is quite old but very good, and a good place to start learning the classical defence. And it is free!

I don't think any books published for many years have so good a coverage of the Classical Spanish as these articles, and after all I don't think theory have changed much during the last decade in this opening anyway.
  
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Reply #28 - 03/15/10 at 23:00:31
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Matemax wrote on 03/15/10 at 22:10:19:
Fromper wrote on 03/15/10 at 22:00:16:
So what's the verdict on this book? Worth getting for a 1700 player who's tired of banging out 12 moves of the mainline Ruy Lopez against opponents my own level, only for both of us to sit there wondering what to do next?


too complicated for 1700 - you should get Watson's books

??? What's too complicated for a 1700? The mainline RL, or the less common lines in this book? Or are the lines in this book ok, but the book itself is too complicated? And which books by Watson are you referring to?
  

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Reply #27 - 03/15/10 at 22:10:19
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Fromper wrote on 03/15/10 at 22:00:16:
So what's the verdict on this book? Worth getting for a 1700 player who's tired of banging out 12 moves of the mainline Ruy Lopez against opponents my own level, only for both of us to sit there wondering what to do next?


too complicated for 1700 - you should get Watson's books
  
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Reply #26 - 03/15/10 at 22:00:16
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So what's the verdict on this book? Worth getting for a 1700 player who's tired of banging out 12 moves of the mainline Ruy Lopez against opponents my own level, only for both of us to sit there wondering what to do next?

  

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Reply #25 - 01/24/10 at 18:33:56
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Talking of Greet's book. He recomends 8.Bb3 in the Main Line of the Bird's. This is also not covered in  Sokolov's book. Neither is it mentioned in Flear's old 'Offbeat Spanish' or more amazingly Dangerous weapons 1.e4 e5 which Greet himself co-authored BIZARE!!!!!

Any comments! Shocked
  
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Reply #24 - 01/22/10 at 10:12:41
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 01/20/10 at 19:09:13:
Matemax wrote on 01/20/10 at 07:17:00:
Markovic says (in a thread some time ago):
Well, I must say that it's exasperating to have posted here many times how, after 1. e4 e5  2. Nf3 Nc6  3. Bb4 f5  4. Nc3 fxe4  5. Nxe4 d5  6. Nxe5 dxe4  7. Nxc6 Qg5 (some call this the "Classical" Schliemann) 8. Qe2 Nf6, White's strongest and best is not the highly reputed and often-exclam-adorned 9. f4, but 9. Nxa7+! [...]

I'd be interested to learn what Sokolov recommends against Hugo Süchting's 8.Nd4+! c6 9.Bf1!. In Kaissiber 7 (1998) I had expressed my sympathy for this line, accompanied by analyses. Has Black really enough for the pawn?

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I would never play this as White in an OTB game. It is obvious that Black has ample practical compensation. 
  
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Reply #23 - 01/21/10 at 05:19:46
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TonyRo wrote on 01/20/10 at 21:28:59:
It seems as though these days, the stronger the player, the less there is in the bibliography. Chess Stars Bibliography's are extraordinarily small, and it doesn't surprise me that this one is any different.


It adds to the impression that most GM's rely a  lot more on their own research rather then on literature then we patzers think. I read more then once that a GM stated that he just needed one good book (recent wasn't necessairy) for the basics and a database (and nowadays an engine I would assume) to research a new opening.   
  
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Reply #22 - 01/20/10 at 21:28:59
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It seems as though these days, the stronger the player, the less there is in the bibliography. Chess Stars Bibliography's are extraordinarily small, and it doesn't surprise me that this one is any different.
  
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Reply #21 - 01/20/10 at 20:56:40
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No bibliography and no mention of Kaissiber? I am shocked.
  
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Reply #20 - 01/20/10 at 20:39:53
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tafl wrote on 01/20/10 at 19:42:41:
One curious detail in Sokolov's book is that after 3...Bc5 he doesn't seem to consider Greet's 4.Nxe5!? at all (but after 4.0-0 Nf6 he considers 4.Nxe5 in great detail).


Well in a way it is an odd book. Sometimes he covers a lot of ground sometimes his approach is very narrow. There is no bibliography and I haven't met any references to others books. I have the impression that the book is just the result of Sokolov and a database.

To his defence 4. Nxe5!? seems a minor line while 5. Nxe5 is quite mainstream theory. And 4. Nxe5!? can be "avoided" by the Berlin moveorder.
  
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Reply #19 - 01/20/10 at 19:42:41
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One curious detail in Sokolov's book is that after 3...Bc5 he doesn't seem to consider Greet's 4.Nxe5!? at all (but after 4.0-0 Nf6 he considers 4.Nxe5 in great detail).
  

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Reply #18 - 01/20/10 at 19:09:13
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Matemax wrote on 01/20/10 at 07:17:00:
Markovic says (in a thread some time ago):
Well, I must say that it's exasperating to have posted here many times how, after 1. e4 e5  2. Nf3 Nc6  3. Bb4 f5  4. Nc3 fxe4  5. Nxe4 d5  6. Nxe5 dxe4  7. Nxc6 Qg5 (some call this the "Classical" Schliemann) 8. Qe2 Nf6, White's strongest and best is not the highly reputed and often-exclam-adorned 9. f4, but 9. Nxa7+! [...]

I'd be interested to learn what Sokolov recommends against Hugo Süchting's 8.Nd4+! c6 9.Bf1!. In Kaissiber 7 (1998) I had expressed my sympathy for this line, accompanied by analyses. Has Black really enough for the pawn?
  
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Reply #17 - 01/20/10 at 17:21:30
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Well I have been looking at bit and pieces (mainly Jaenisch/Schliemann and Bird stuff) but now I'm going to look at the part which was my main motivation for buying the book: The Classical variation. Just dusted of my Offbeat Spanish by Flear (2000) and the 2 Hard Chess columns (1999) for reference. A quick scan seems to indicate that nothing specific has been published on the Classical since then  Shocked.
  
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Reply #16 - 01/20/10 at 15:08:04
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If I were a partisan of White's side of the Spanish, I'd be sure to get myself a copy of this book.

That's what I did Wink
(even I play the Ruy with both colours but haven't played the Schliemann for more than 10 years with Black - well "times are a....chaiaching" lalala)
  
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