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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #642 - 12/12/17 at 05:03:48
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Toshak wrote on 12/11/17 at 22:32:58:
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Sc3 c5 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. g3 Nf6 7. Bg2 Be7 8. O-O O-O 9. Bg5 c4 10. Ne5 Be6 11. f4 h6 12. Bxf6 Bxf6 13. f5 Bxe5 14. dxe5 Qb6+ 15. Kh1 Qxb2 16. fxe6 fxe6 17. Rxf8+ Rxf8 18. Qc1 Qxc1+ 19. Rxc1

2 pawns for a bishop, difficult to play for both sides, but maybe still some kind of dynamic balance.


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http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1347006428


  

Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations

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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #641 - 12/11/17 at 22:45:32
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To come back to the gambit move 10.b4

[Event "11. DFMM - Gruppe LK-22/B04"]
[Site "BdF-Schachserver"]
[Date "2015.09.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Chilla, Jan Eric"]
[Black "Reichert, Thomas"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2176"]
[BlackElo "2123"]
[PlyCount "92"]
[EventDate "2015.10.15"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. dxc5 d4 7. Na4 Bxc5 8.
Nxc5 Qa5+ 9. Bd2 Qxc5 10. b4 Nxb4 11. Rc1 Qd6 12. e3 dxe3 13. Bc3 Qxd1+ 14.
Kxd1 Nxa2 15. Bxg7 Nxc1 16. Kxc1 Bd7 17. fxe3 Rc8+ 18. Kd2 f6 19. Bxh8 Kf7 20.
Bd3 Ne7 21. Rb1 b6 22. Ra1 a5 23. Ne5+ fxe5 24. Bxe5 Rc5 25. Bd4 Rh5 26. h3 Rg5
27. Rf1+ Ke8 28. Rf2 b5 29. Bxh7 a4 30. Bd3 b4 31. Bc4 Nc6 32. h4 Rg4 33. Bf7+
Ke7 34. Bh5 Nxd4 35. Bxg4 Nb3+ 36. Kc2 Bxg4 37. Rf4 Be6 38. Rxb4 Na5 39. Kc3 a3
40. Ra4 Nc4 41. e4 Nd6 42. e5 Nf5 43. Rxa3 Nxh4 44. g4 Nf3 45. Ra7+ Bd7 46.
Rxd7+ Kxd7 {Draw agreed} 1/2-1/2

  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #640 - 12/11/17 at 22:32:58
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There is at least one important line missing in the book:

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Sc3 c5 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. g3 Nf6 7. Bg2 Be7 8. O-O O-O 9. Bg5 c4 10. Ne5 Be6 11. f4 h6 12. Bxf6 Bxf6 13. f5 Bxe5 14. dxe5 Qb6+ 15. Kh1 Qxb2 16. fxe6 fxe6 17. Rxf8+ Rxf8 18. Qc1 Qxc1+ 19. Rxc1

2 pawns for a bishop, difficult to play for both sides, but maybe still some kind of dynamic balance.
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #639 - 12/05/17 at 17:58:44
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proustiskeen wrote on 03/12/13 at 16:19:58:
I just put a review of GM10 up on my blog.  Interested parties may want to give it a read.

http://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/2013/03/12/gm10/

Comments are always welcome, here or there.


Very good review!

I bought the book. It is excellent. The 9Bg5 c4!? lines opened up a new world of chess opening interpretation, for me. It remains a tactical, strategical challenge.

The original charm of the Tarrash defense for me was black's IQP compensation. Back when Spassky played the Tarrash against Petrosian, this was new territory for both myself and my opponents. Play became increasingly worked out for both sides. Kasparov kept the Tarrash in the spotlight for a time.

I'm glad the Tarrash remains unrefuted. Perhaps the practical upshot of existing analysis is the knowledge that one is playing a line that has not been refuted.
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #638 - 09/02/16 at 05:47:03
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New book by Boris Avrukh is out..
Did anyone get it yet and wants to share his recommendation against the Tarrasch ?
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #637 - 07/24/14 at 21:01:05
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What happens if Black plays 18. ... Be2 instead of h5 as played in the Bucek-Monacell game?
  
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Reply #636 - 07/24/14 at 13:54:40
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after 14...Re8 there's 15.Rac1 and where does the queen go? when I have more time, I can try to post more analysis
  
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Reply #635 - 07/23/14 at 18:01:09
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In the Akobian game Black played quickly ...Re8-Re7 to free his bishop. What is the antidote to that?

But really, if this line is indeed quite dangerous it is amazing news for White who can have something to play against the Tarrasch and fight for the edge withouting having to remember tons and tons of theory!
  
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Reply #634 - 07/22/14 at 20:11:17
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So is Black's play meant to be an improvement on Onischuk vs. (Tarrasch expert) Akobian?
  
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Reply #633 - 07/22/14 at 18:36:32
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I just saw this correspondence Tarrasch game and my impression is that white may have a small but steady advantage after 14.Qb3
at least it looks like an underrated line

  
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Reply #632 - 03/13/13 at 19:55:01
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Send an email to Jacob and ask him to put you in. As i answered i don't think that an amateur must spend time to memorise moves after the exchange sac. Play the variations once or twice, and then play the position if you like it. Play games at the internet or at the club and maybe note the games or interesting positions in a database you check once in a while, or before an important game. The only move you have to remember is to play ...c5! in order to make your pieces good and after that maybe one or two moves and plans. Nothing more. The analysis in the books is there only to prove that Black's position is fine, noone expect you to memorise it. Jacob played the Tarrasch consistently against GM opposition and you have to be sure that after the exchange sac he may remembered only the set-up of the Bishop to f6 and the pawn to c3, nothing more.

French will be out in May and it will conclude my original Greek project, but published in English!  Cheesy
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #631 - 03/13/13 at 19:13:59
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proustiskeen wrote on 03/13/13 at 15:39:52:
Fling - your point is well taken, but given that most chess players are under 2000, it would seem that a wise corporate strategy would be to sell them books that are useful to them.  Of course, the main point is selling the books, and QC seems to be doing fairly well at that, so I might be wrong.


What is a wise corporate strategy is not up to me to decide. What I do know is that the GM series is not aimed at club players, according to the text in the books. "This does not mean that players who are not grandmasters cannot benefit from them".

Anyway, I really like that you are reviewing books and that you present detailed criticism. I just wanted to point out that reviewing the GM series under the premise that they should be for club players may not be totally fair. This does not mean that a club player cannot review them  Wink
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #630 - 03/13/13 at 16:07:01
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proustiskeen wrote on 03/13/13 at 15:39:52:
Fling - your point is well taken, but given that most chess players are under 2000, it would seem that a wise corporate strategy would be to sell them books that are useful to them.

They do that too.
  
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Re: The Tarrasch in Black and White
Reply #629 - 03/13/13 at 15:39:52
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Fling - your point is well taken, but given that most chess players are under 2000, it would seem that a wise corporate strategy would be to sell them books that are useful to them.  Of course, the main point is selling the books, and QC seems to be doing fairly well at that, so I might be wrong.

Ametanoitos - thank you for your response.  I'm glad you find the review fair and well considered.  Maybe you can get Jacob to put me on the QC reviewers list!  Again, I think that your response makes sense, but I still wonder: how useful is it for an amateur player to spend that much time on a position (after the exchange sac) that will probably never show up in their OTB games?

I'll be waiting for your books on the French and I'll review them too. Smiley
  
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Reply #628 - 03/13/13 at 13:13:35
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Hello. Nice review and well thought. All your arguments are resonable and thank you for giving me the chance to share my opinion.

My comment for the endgame in chapter 7 – 9…c4 10.Ne5 Be6 11.b3 h6 12.Bxf6 Bxf6 13.Nxc6 bxc6 14.bxc4 dxc4 15.e3 Qa5 16.Rc1 is that after having analysed it extensively and played it in countless training games is that the luck of dynamism in White's position is hard to spot if you don't sit in his shoes. All the breaks are on the Black side. I am reminded of a paragraph from Kasparov's book "How life immitates Chess" when in one diagramm of his he showed a position where White had a erfect structure and Black had a pair of doubled pawns and (surprizingly) claimed that players like Bronstein will favor definately the Black side due to its dymanic possibilities!

I remember clearly a game against one team-mate of mine who tried to "sit tight" with White and was blown away after g5-f5-Re8 and f4! And this is the nice point of the move ...Rc7!! it allows the Rook to have a flexible choice: b8-d8 or e8?

Also, i have adviced many times people who ask the same questions that in the main lines you don't have to go deep. Memorise untill the exchange sac or the piece sac that is features in 2-3 lines of the main lines. From there just play the lines in the book once or twice to get the feeling of the position, play this line in blitz and friendly games. Playing this against the computer makes no sense you'll get the feeling that you'll have to play perfectly to stay equal when you have an opponent (the PC) that plays perfectly. Try instead this line against a friend and you'll see its practical value.
  
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