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Re: is there a good book on the petroff?
Reply #22 - 03/06/18 at 16:43:44
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In my experience tactical open play in the Petroff is the exception not the rule, particualry below master level. Moreover I think it is a horrible choice to play against someone lower rated than oneself. Having said that, it is useful to have in ones repertoire to wheel out against players of equal strength or higher rated players trying to win.

If you want increased chances of an open game you must go for 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6.
  
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Reply #21 - 03/06/18 at 09:23:02
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TopNotch wrote on 02/28/18 at 21:35:06:
You seek tactical open play and choose the Petroff?

TopNotch, I don't understand your comment. Are you suggesting that the Petroff doesn't usually lead to tactical open play? Even Markovich thought it a reasonable choice for players below master level and therefore needing practice in open positions.
  
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Reply #20 - 03/05/18 at 13:27:26
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Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.
  
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Re: is there a good book on the petroff?
Reply #19 - 03/01/18 at 11:18:14
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I used Lakdawala (2015) The Petroff: Move by Moves book in all my black games in three thematical corr tournamnets and in got 3rd place in my 1st, 1 won my second and 2nd place in my 3rd. The lines in the book are very solid and sometimes alternative lines are covered like in Shirov variation where several blacks subsystems are covered. I dont have any other Petroff books since I dont play Petroff unless it is a thematical corr  tournamnet and I will not play in an other Petroff tournament for at least a year or two to get more variation in my corr games.
  
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Re: is there a good book on the petroff?
Reply #18 - 02/28/18 at 23:21:55
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Your recent choices in English are the following, each one is a repertoire book: 
  • Lakdawala (2015) The Petroff: Move by Move
  • Cohen (2014) A Vigorous Chess Opening Repertoire for Black
  • Sakaev (2011) The Petroff: an Expert Repertoire for Black

For such a good opening, the Petroff aka Russian gets little love here on chesspub, so you won't find much discussion of these books. You might be on your own figuring out which is the right one for you.
  
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You seek tactical open play and choose the Petroff?
  
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Re: is there a good book on the petroff?
Reply #16 - 02/28/18 at 20:25:55
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Not sure how good it is, but Lakdawala had his move by move book which might be pitched at the right level if you're just getting started. His stuff tends to be pretty accessible.

There's also Sakaev's book, which is pretty variation heavy, but a diligent piece of work. Sakaev's book is a complete repertoire too.
  
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Reply #15 - 02/28/18 at 19:42:17
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Hello everyone,

I haven't played in almost a decade. Now I'm back and starting over trying to climb to that magical 2000 barrier by redoing my previous opening rep. I'm focusing on open tactical play thanks to many posts and comments on here. I've decided on Petroff as my black defense. Can you recommend good books (overall on the Petroff) and which book might be best for an amateur just starting with the opening? 

Thanks in advance.
  
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Re: is there a good book on the petroff?
Reply #14 - 11/27/09 at 23:03:07
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thanks to everyone for the input. i suppose i'll have a look at raetsky.

at my level, i'm not really worried about the forced draw. there are no drawish openings at my level. 

and i'm not going to freak out about the center game, bishop's opening, king's gambit, etc, i already have prepared responses to them from my time playing 2...Nc6, which is something i've played since i started chess. emms' open games as black book is very useful for those lines.

but regarding the "drawishness" of the opening, here's a question - if the petroff should be avoided because it's drawish, why do i hear so many people talking up the zaitsev in the ruy? white has the simplest forced draw in the world in the zaitsev, but i've never heard anyone say the zaitsev is a boring drawish opening. 

but i'm not generally worried about the draw. dead drawn positions aren't dead drawn at my level, unless it's bishop vs. bishop with no pawns. i've gotten a lot of points from playing out dead drawn positions, and i've lost quite a few as well.


  
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Reply #13 - 11/27/09 at 13:15:09
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Thanks MNb for clearing that up. You are correct, that is what I meant.
  
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Re: is there a good book on the petroff?
Reply #12 - 11/26/09 at 05:35:57
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endali wrote on 11/24/09 at 13:20:43:
i'm working on putting together a new repertoire, and i'm including the petroff as black. if you're interested, i've discussed my reasons for playing the petroff here -

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1258593205

so this petroff thing is the bane of 1.e4 at the top level, has a long history going back to pillsbury and marshall, totally sound and imho good for a beginner to learn because it has lots of open lines and 2-3 move tactics.

so imagine my surprise when i look on amazon to see if there's a book on the petroff, and i find that there's only a handful, all outdated, and all with rather mixed reviews. WHERE'S THE BEEF, MAN? the frenchies and the sicilians get peppered with endless literature, "starting out" books, books on sub-sub-sub variations, dozens and dozens of choices, heck, pirc and scandinavian have more literature than the petroff. how on earth has no one written "Starting Out: The Petroff" yet?

furthermore, here in the 1.e4 e5 section there is almost no discussion of the petroff whatsoever! the double muzio and the traxler and the frankenstein-dracula get more love than the petroff!  Wink 

so i have two questions, i suppose.

1.) is there a good book available that i can use to learn to play the petroff? i got a hold of kasimdhanov's DVD, and it's very good, but i can't scribble notes to myself in the margins on a DVD, i like books a lot better.

2.) why have chess book authors ignored this defense? i don't understand it - all the big boys stopped playing 1.e4, and it ain't because they're scared of the pirc or the scandinavian, it's the marshall and the petroff and the sicilian, right? so why all the books on these other not-so-solid openings and none on one of the most important? 



I don't know of any good books on the Petroff from Black's perspective. The only book that springs to mind is Jangjava's 2002 work on the opening, but that had a stark resemblance to a database dump according to one reviewer (Flear or Donaldson, can't remember which). 

If you had to use one book, I would recommend ECO C. If you had to use one periodical, use either the Informants or Yearbook (which I have suggested several times before on the Forum).


  
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Re: is there a good book on the petroff?
Reply #11 - 11/26/09 at 02:12:33
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I think he means 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Nf3 when Nf6 is a somewhat less popular line of the Petrov.
Consistent is 3...Bb4+.
  
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Re: is there a good book on the petroff?
Reply #10 - 11/25/09 at 18:56:26
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Sandman wrote on 11/25/09 at 13:08:48:
slates wrote on 11/24/09 at 19:04:30:
I recently started using the Petroff ...................
I certainly get to play more Petroffs than Berlin Walls (one of my other opening experiments of recent years) which is encouraging. But there are also plenty of Four Knights games, of course....


What do you do if white plays 1.e4 e5 2. d4? I played the petroff for a while and the majority of games were 4knights, then came 2.d4 which avoided the petroff and finally came the petroff lines. 

Take the pawn and go into the Centre Game, something I don't see that often.  I don't know the theory but it doesn't matter much at my level - it seems pretty harmless and I'm quite happy to see it on the board. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_Game

I got more Bishop's Openings and Kings Gambits than Centre Games, both of which are more troublesome in my opinion.
  
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Re: is there a good book on the petroff?
Reply #9 - 11/25/09 at 13:17:05
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He recommended 6...Bd6 in the Nxe5 main line.  I don't remember what he recommended against 3 d4.

No one played 3 d4 when I was using it.  It was extremely rare.
  
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Re: is there a good book on the petroff?
Reply #8 - 11/25/09 at 13:08:48
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slates wrote on 11/24/09 at 19:04:30:
I recently started using the Petroff ...................
I certainly get to play more Petroffs than Berlin Walls (one of my other opening experiments of recent years) which is encouraging. But there are also plenty of Four Knights games, of course....


What do you do if white plays 1.e4 e5 2. d4? I played the petroff for a while and the majority of games were 4knights, then came 2.d4 which avoided the petroff and finally came the petroff lines. 
  
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