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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #24 - 01/15/11 at 16:10:43
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Raetzky and Tsjetverik give 5...Bf5 6.Nb3 Bb4+ 7.Bd2 Be7 8.Bf4 Bb4+ 9.Nbd2 Nge7 10.a3 Bxd2+ 11.Qxd2 Ng6 12.Rd1 0-0 as unclear, but I simply don't see Black's compensation. White just plays 13.g3, 14.Bg2 and 15.0-0.
There is also a line from Meinsohn: 5...Bf5 6.Nb3 f6 7.exf6 Qxf6 8.a3 h6 9.Nfxd4 0-0-0 10.e3 Nxd4 11.exd4 Qg6 12.Qf3 and Black's play can be improved with ...Nf6. So White should play 9.Nxd4 0-0-0 10.e3 evt. giving one pawn back after Bc5 11.Be2. So perhaps 8...Be7 9.Bg5 Qf7 is the way to go.
6.a3 might be too slow: Qe7 7.Nb3 0-0-0 8.Bf4 f6! 9.exf6 Nxf6 10.Nfxd4 Nxd4 11.Nxd4 c5 12.Nb5 Rxd1+ 13.Rxd1 Bd7 14.Nd6+ Kd8 15.Nxb7+ Kc8 16.Nd6+ and a draw.

After 5.a3 I'd rather consider Nge7 and Be6.
  

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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #23 - 01/15/11 at 04:41:45
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How about Bf5 another line that will start coming up soon. 

1. d4 d5
2. c4 e5
3. de d4
4. Nf3 Nc6
5. Nbd2 Bf5 

I dont think white gets much out of this position.  However against 5. a3 Bf5 is not so good.
  
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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #22 - 03/12/10 at 09:01:34
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I've been quite successful with 4. a3 followed by 5. e3, not losing a single game and usually just emerging from the opening with a vastly better position.
  
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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #21 - 03/12/10 at 02:07:57
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Nice to see my opinion on page 1 confirmed.
  

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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #20 - 03/12/10 at 02:02:29
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Dorian Rogozenco recommends 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.Nbd2 in his article in Chessbase Magazine 134:
http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6154
  
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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #19 - 02/13/10 at 21:41:54
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Found it:
1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c4 e5 4. Sxe5 Sxe5 5. dxe5 and now either 5.. d4 or 5.. dxc4. with d4, it's not quite an Albin, but can be almost as sharp and his lines seem interesting and playable.
Bosch seems to prefer dxc4 which leads to an endgame after the queens are traded, and if black gets his king to c7, he is okay. unfortunately, black needs a severe improvement over what is usually played after 7.e4 and 8.f4 or he'll be worse.

i think i'll try this, of course in the hope to transpose to my favourite albin  Cool
  
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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #18 - 02/09/10 at 00:26:31
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Very interesting Albin analysis, complements the Kazimdhanov DVD. Also in his book reviews i've stumbled upon a line of the Chigorin in secrets of opening surprises vol. 9, that Keres apparantly used once.
1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c4 e5

I always tried to use it as a transposition to the albin (which is after 4. dxe5), but it seemed like 4. Nxe5 was solid and bad for black.

I'll order the book and see what the article says about it! Watson recommended the SOS series anyways.
  
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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #17 - 01/25/10 at 01:46:06
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Watson has published improvements against Avrukh's line:
"Opening Books en Masse Part 2
IM John Watson - Thursday 12th February 2009
Moving to a less mainstream opening, the Albin CounterGambit has used by many strong players over the past 4-5 years. Avrukh suggests a hot line from high-level play. His analysis (including demonstrations of why he is avoiding certain lines) is superb; nevertheless, there seem to be improvements."-available at the TWIC website.

Ironically,also troublesome to black is the Watson-Schiller line: 1 d4 d5 2 c4 e5 3 de5 d4 4 Nf3 Nc6 5 Nbd2 Nge7 6 a3 Ng6 7 Nb3, published in "How to Succeed in the Queen Pawn Openings"
  
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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #16 - 12/11/09 at 23:18:04
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MNb wrote on 12/11/09 at 21:38:06:
Do you (Papageno) mean that Moro's 5...Nge7 is considered critical these days? 5...Bg4 and 5...Be6 used to be more popular.


I would say so yes. From what I've experiences myself in blitz at ICC and over the board in rapid/blitz or seen even in games at top level (Morozevich, Nakamura, Kasimzhanov) during the last 5 years, 5...Nge7 definitely is the move. The most popular move by far, and probably the critical one. Well, if it's popular we have to expect it anyway and should be prepared for this one.
  
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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #15 - 12/11/09 at 21:38:06
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Do you (Papageno) mean that Moro's 5...Nge7 is considered critical these days? 5...Bg4 and 5...Be6 used to be more popular.
  

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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #14 - 12/11/09 at 13:56:13
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When it comes to decide about 5. a3 vs. 5. Nbd2, we'll have to ask the right question to the position. So far, we had Which one is more flexible?. – But I'd like to ask a different one: Which move works better against the popular ...Nge7? (Morovezich).

If you are happy with Avrukh/Schandoff's analysis of the Topalov-Moro game, then go for 5. a3. Otherwise, MNb's line in reply #1 seriously comes into consideration.
(The slight difference in flexibility between the two moves seems not so important to me, since 5...f6?! isn't known to be a critical line and Black can choose the move order 5. a3 Bg4 6. Nbd2 f6?! anyway, if he wants to sac the pawn.)
  
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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #13 - 12/11/09 at 09:57:05
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TonyRo wrote on 12/11/09 at 03:51:08:
LeeRoth gets it, so apparently I'm not crazy.

I only remarked that you did not answer my question. If you conclude that you're crazy I will not contradict you, but it is for your account.
Thanks to LR.
  

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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #12 - 12/11/09 at 03:51:08
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LeeRoth gets it, so apparently I'm not crazy. My point is that in the main line of 5. a3 Nge7 (Morozevich's choice), the knight doesn't hit d2 right away, if ever. That's all.
  
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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #11 - 12/11/09 at 02:53:10
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Where does the Knight go?  It depends, but after a3, it doesn't always go to Nbd2 as quickly as you suggest.  And, as Tony notes, in the main lines its development is delayed and usually then is to c3. 

MNb wrote on 12/11/09 at 01:53:28:
5.a3 f6 6.exf6 and 7.Nbd2


No, 6..Nxf6 7.e3 Bg4 8.Be2 and after a subsequent exd4, the Knight will come out on c3.

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5.a3 Nge7 6.Nbd2


No again, this is the main line, which runs 6.b4 Ng6 7.Bb2 a5 8.b5 Nce5 9.Nxe5 Nxe5 10.e3 Be6 11.Bxd4 Nxc4 12.Qc2 and again the Knight will come out on c3.  See Topalov-Morozevich, Monte Carlo Amber (rpd) 2005 and the books by Avrukh, Schandorff and Davies.

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5.a3 Be6 6.Nbd2


Yes, this generally transposes to 5.Nbd2 Be6 6.a3.


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5.a3 Bg4 6.b4 Qd7 7.Nbd2


Here, actually, I would play 6.Nbd2, which is a direct transposition

  
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Re: Line against the Albin Counter Gambit
Reply #10 - 12/11/09 at 01:53:28
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5.a3 f6 6.exf6 and 7.Nbd2
5.a3 Nge7 6.Nbd2
5.a3 Be6 6.Nbd2
5.a3 Bg4 6.b4 Qd7 7.Nbd2

are immediate transpositions - there obviously is no difference with 5.Nbd2 if White choses to play 6.a3.
If the optimal square is d2 indeed, what I suspect after 5.a3, 6.b4 and 7.Bb2, I have brought my point home. 5.Nbd2 is more flexible because White, depending on Black's 5th move, can transpose with 6.a3, 7.b4 and 8.Bb2 or chose another plan. Eg after 5.Nbd2 Nge7 White might prefer 6.Nb3 Nf5 7.e4.
As far as I can see now White does not have independent options after 5.a3 though.

So my question is relevant: where does the knight go after 5.a3 ?
  

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