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Reply #12 - 12/05/09 at 11:00:00
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TalJechin wrote on 12/05/09 at 10:53:23:

I expected the Netherlands to have many GMs & Elo-players. An omission or do they really not qualify?


Netherlands has 24 GMs to 16,5 million people, so around 1,5 per million. To include a country in the Americas, stats for Cuba are similar: 17 GMs to 11,5 millions. It all depends on where you set the cutoff, of course.

You will probably have a huge time lag between current membership rates and number of GMs; after all the stats include inactive GMs too.
  

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Reply #11 - 12/05/09 at 10:53:23
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and surprisingly the Nordic countries as centres of chess excellence relative to population.


That is indeed very surprising, since the number of active players are steadily decreasing up here. In Denmark they've lost about 250 active players every year for at least a decade and that figure is probably similar in Sweden too.

Norway has of course the Carlsen-effect and Iceland has a guaranteed salary for GMs (iirc about 1000 euro a month - but that figure is from before they crashed their economy).

I expected the Netherlands to have many GMs & Elo-players. An omission or do they really not qualify?
  
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Reply #10 - 12/05/09 at 09:57:49
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Gambit, where did you get the figures? The FIDE website gives somewhat different numbers, see
http://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml

Number of GMs:

Russia 195, Germany 75, Ukraine 74, USA 66, Serbia 50, Hungary 41, France 39, England 37, Israel 34, Spain 34 etc.

Notable countries with many GMs compared to population (at least 2 pr. million and excluding countries with only 1 GM): 

Serbia 50, Hungary 41, Israel 34, Armenia 29, Croatia 29, Bulgaria 29, Georgia 24, Czech Republic 24, Azerbaijan 17, Iceland 11, Slovenia 10, Norway 10, Latvia 8, Republic of Macedonia 8, Montenegro 6, Estonia 4, Qatar 3.

Countries that come close to my 2 pr. million cutoff include Lithuania, Sweden, Denmark, Slovakia, Bosnia & Hercegovina, and Moldova. These results point to the Caucasus region, the former Yugoslavia, the Baltic states, Eastern Europe in general, and surprisingly the Nordic countries as centres of chess excellence relative to population.

We could easily agree on some appropriate source for populations and compute exact "GMs per million" figures for each country, but frankly I don't want to waste more time on it.
  

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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 12/05/09 at 02:40:53:
Does Iceland still have the most GMs per capita?


Yes. I believe that Germany still has the most FIDE-rated players as well.

Whilst on the subject of statistics, how many Grandmasters are there in the world at present according to the current rating list?
  

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Reply #8 - 12/05/09 at 04:43:22
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Well, you can look it up. Iceland is a small country, you know.
  
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Does Iceland still have the most GMs per capita?
  
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Reply #6 - 12/04/09 at 23:00:03
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Yes, Africa has much turmoil, unfortunately. Lots of civil strife, wars, conflicts. Under those circumstances, what chess tournaments? Perhaps in South Africa or Egypt, which are more stable.

A friend of mine once said that culture has something to do with it. Like, marathons are a sport Africans excel in, not chess... But that's just what I heard.
  
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Reply #5 - 12/04/09 at 22:33:07
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To become a GM you have to have the ability to play in strong tournaments - and if there are no strong tournaments around your home you dont have that ability.

Africa is huge - how many strong tournaments are there at all?

Croatia, Russia, Germany ... they all have a very intense "chess infrastructure" with a lot of players and tournaments.
  
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Reply #4 - 12/04/09 at 21:46:57
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Speaking of correcting for population, 50 GMs in Croatia Serbia is quite impressive too. In tiny Iceland it seems they have limited themselves to just a few national passtimes in order to excel in them; they also have a suprisingly strong handball team.
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Reply #3 - 12/04/09 at 21:46:51
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I suspect history might have something to say about this, too.  I don't think Russians are genetically predisposed towards chess ability.  And it would be interesting to know how many of those American GMs were born and spent their formative years elsewhere.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.  They're interesting to look at, but like MNb, I really don't think they reveal much without further qualification.
  

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Reply #2 - 12/04/09 at 21:26:17
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Such statistics tell us about zero. One should correct for population. China has a few more inhabitants then say Andorra.
Then Iceland is the country with the most GM's.
  

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Reply #1 - 12/04/09 at 21:18:02
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I think Russia should count as a European country, certainly in this department. Most of the people and most of the GMs live west of the Urals.

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Total population: 145,166,731 (2002 Russian Census) 
European Federal Districts: 106,003,702 
Asian Federal Districts: 39,129,729 

Source: Wikipedia

It's interesting to compare these title statistics with actual competitive success. Germany has always struck me as a country that underperfoms in terms of team results and absolute top players. Some years ago Germany was even the country with the highest number of FIDE rated players. I don't know if that's still true, but there certainly is a lot of interest for the game there. Which means that for all their trainers, books and German thoroughness, they must be doing something wrong... Being a Western country isn't a good excuse either, since the Netherlands, France, and England all outperform them.

On the other hand, relatively small countries for example in the Caucasus (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia) are clearly getting better results than expected from their number of players and titles alone, suggesting a strong training system and cultural prestige for the game.
  

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12/04/09 at 20:12:09
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I checked FIDE statistics recently, and found interesting stuff. In particular, Russia had the most Grandmasters, with 169! Germany was next, with 75, United States with 66, and Poland, Croatia, with 50 each. Overall, between them, Asia (Russia, China, India, Pakistan) had the most GMs. The combined countries of Europe came in next, followed by the Americas.

In the Middle East, Israel led the pack, with 34 Grandmasters. I guess most of them emigrated from Russia... But you know, that is no surprise. Lots of Russian players now reside in other countries...

And Africa? It only has 6 Grandmasters for the entire continent, 3 of them in Egypt. What a discrepancy...

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