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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #26 - 01/31/10 at 15:00:57
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(Forgot the irony marker, of course. But then the From being in better shape is good news for the Bird player, too, if he plays the Pelikan variation in the symmetrical. And as TN says : there's always the Hayward variationof the declined From. No advantage, just chess, so totally conform with Bird strategy...)
  
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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #25 - 01/31/10 at 07:30:06
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James, do you understand Pelikan-Alekhine ? Then just reverse colours and think the extra tempo (1.f4) away.
  
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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #24 - 01/29/10 at 07:28:45
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I don't understand 3 e6 at all!

I must say that the article on the From in Kaissiber 36 is excellent - it contains a simple but major improvement on my analysis in 'Dangerous Weapons: Flank Openings', and 3 exd6 Bxd6 4 Nf3 Nf6 now surely looks healthier for Black than it has for a very long time. There might be a lot more to be discovered in the line 5 Nc3(!) Nc6(!) 6 d4.

Is there anything new on 4...g5 5 d4 in the 2nd edition of Sid Pickard's Birdbase? He collects a lot of games from off the beaten track.
  
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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #23 - 01/28/10 at 17:10:48
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nyoke wrote on 01/28/10 at 12:29:33:
So the 'dubiosity' of 3. e6 should be attributed to 3...Be6. But that's decent according to NICBase (on a very small sample though) :
4 white win(s)
3 black win(s)
1 draw(s)
White score: 56.2%
I don't see any compelling reason why Black would be better here or even equal.
Does anyone ?


Note that in the games for which ratings are given, White is higher every time.

I find it implausible that White could be better after 3. e6 Bxe6.  Incidentally your countryman O'Kelly gave this a few decades ago:  4. Nf3 Nf6 5. b3 d5 6. Bb2 c5 7. e3 Nc6 8. Bb5, unclear.
  
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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #22 - 01/28/10 at 12:29:33
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So the 'dubiosity' of 3. e6 should be attributed to 3...Be6. But that's decent according to NICBase (on a very small sample though) :
4 white win(s)
3 black win(s)
1 draw(s)
White score: 56.2%
I don't see any compelling reason why Black would be better here or even equal.
Does anyone ?
  
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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #21 - 01/27/10 at 22:51:27
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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #20 - 01/27/10 at 08:18:54
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Haven't seen any game with ...fe6:, yet.
Have you ? (I only use online databases, so...)
  
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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #19 - 12/23/09 at 21:52:43
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If White wishes to avoid the main-line From's Gambit without sacrificing a pawn (2.e4), then I believe 1.f4 e5 2.fe5 d6 3.Nf3 de5 4.e4 is supposed to be a satisfactory option - it doesn't offer any advantage but is safer if White is caught out and doesn't know/remember the theory of 3.ed6 Bd6 4.Nf3. If 2...Nc6, White can always play 3.Nc3, which I think gives White a small edge with best play. 3.Nf3 g5!? is much more complicated, and I'm not sure of the current theoretical verdict in that line.
  

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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #18 - 12/23/09 at 21:46:55
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Actually, I figured the benefit of taking the second pawn on d6 was not just the extra pawn, but also clearing out Black's central pawns.  Must agree with Markovich: 3.e6 looks dubious.
  

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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #17 - 12/23/09 at 18:52:12
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3.e6 looks doubful to me.  After 4...fxe6 Black's extra move may not be worth much, but it must be worth something.
  

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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #16 - 12/23/09 at 15:54:14
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nyoke wrote on 12/23/09 at 15:31:29:
Actually, there is no need to take the second pawn and trigger Blacks advance in development : you can simply play 3.e6 (...Be6 4. Nf3)

Do you have current experience in those lines?  I read the review that Davies is going to be doing on the Bird and saw that line, and even read that many strong players have essayed the lines...it might be neat, although Black also has the option of fxe with a compact pawn center...I wonder if both Bxe and fxe are fully playable - at first glance, they both look fine to me.  Of course, White can work to achieve the e4 advance pretty easily this way.

After 3. e6 Bxe6, I guess Black will either shore up with c6-d5, or simply go straight for d5 and c5? 
4. Nf3 Nc6 with the idea of Qd7 or Qe7 and 0-0-0 is one idea for Black...but in the case of fxe, then Black could play to contest White's f-file with ...Nf6, ...Be7 and ...0-0.
  
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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #15 - 12/23/09 at 15:31:29
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Actually, there is no need to take the second pawn and trigger Blacks advance in development : you can simply play 3.e6 (...Be6 4. Nf3)
  
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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #14 - 12/23/09 at 14:54:32
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I guess we ought to try to go back to the original idea and see if anyone has any ideas, since that is what we are discussing?

1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 d6 3. exd6 Bxd6 4. Nf3 Nf6...

How about, instead of saying, "White should stick with 1. e4, or 1. d4, etc." - why not actually analyze this position and come up with some ideas?  You might not like this position from the White side...but what about the Black side?  Sometimes you will face 1. f4, and maybe you want to learn the Black side of the From's?
  
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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #13 - 12/23/09 at 15:22:20
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Re: Current thought on From's Gambit 4...Nf6
Reply #12 - 12/23/09 at 15:16:51
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