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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #3 - 12/10/09 at 16:01:12
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It surprised me that Gutman ever wrote that book, or that anyone bothered to buy it, since 4...Qh4 is so patently dubious.  But out of curiosity, I myself did purchase a copy, so I suppose the joke is on me.  TN may be right that there is a definite refutation, though it surprises me since I thought that Black was still clinging to life in all the lines at White's disposal.  But I would not recommened ever playing 4...Qh4, since in a practical contest, anyone with any attacking skills at all will simply beat you, and you'll deserve it.
  

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Refutation of 4...Qh4 Scotch
Reply #2 - 12/10/09 at 14:29:12
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MNb wrote on 12/10/09 at 01:25:25:
I own Lev Gutman's 4...Dh4 in der Schottischen Partie. After studying it I have come to the conclusion that the move is dubious.
1) I don't like the lines where White sacs pawn e4, the Black King has to go to d8 and White chases the black Queen around.
2) There are some funny lines where Black sac Rh8 and tries to deliver mate. White can avoid them.

A few examples:
5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Be2 Nf6 7.0-0 Bxc3 8.bxc3 Nxd4 9.cxd4 Nxe4 10.Ba3
5.Nb5 Bc5 6.Qe2 (or 6.Qf3) Nf6 7.Nxc7+ Kd8 8.Nxa8 Nxe4 9.Be3 Re8 is fun, so White avoids it with 7.Be3.

If you want to know more you should try to find Gutman's book.


I agree that 4...Qh4 is objectively dubious although it can work well against an unprepared opponent.

I believe the 'refutation' is as follows:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed4 4.Nd4 Qh4 5.Nc3 Bb4 (5...Bc5 6.Be3 is very nice for White) 6.Be2 Qe4 (6...Nf6 7.0-0 Bc3 8.Nf5! Qe4 9.Bd3 Qa4 10.bc3 and Black has to play 10...Kf8! to not lose immediately, although this is still clearly better for White) 7.Ndb5 Bc3 (7...Qg2 8.Bf3) 8.bc3 Kd8 9.0-0 Nf6 10.Re1 Re8 11.Be3 and Black is under heavy pressure although White has to play accurately to keep his advantage. Note that 11...a6 fails to 12.Nd6! cd6 13.Bb6 Ke7 14.Bf3.
  

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Reply #1 - 12/10/09 at 01:25:25
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I own Lev Gutman's 4...Dh4 in der Schottischen Partie. After studying it I have come to the conclusion that the move is dubious.
1) I don't like the lines where White sacs pawn e4, the Black King has to go to d8 and White chases the black Queen around.
2) There are some funny lines where Black sac Rh8 and tries to deliver mate. White can avoid them.

A few examples:
5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Be2 Nf6 7.0-0 Bxc3 8.bxc3 Nxd4 9.cxd4 Nxe4 10.Ba3
5.Nb5 Bc5 6.Qe2 (or 6.Qf3) Nf6 7.Nxc7+ Kd8 8.Nxa8 Nxe4 9.Be3 Re8 is fun, so White avoids it with 7.Be3.

If you want to know more you should try to find Gutman's book.
  

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Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
12/09/09 at 15:22:51
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The Question is pretty much in the title. Im curious if this variation is playable as a main defence?

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qh4

How does the variation(s) go that is in whites favour?
  
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