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Reply #33 - 08/15/17 at 10:03:51
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VGA wrote on 08/14/17 at 17:16:47:
I am just a little disappointed, I guess the opening is not for my tastes.

That's totally correct, given your "I found myself defending". When my opponent has a centralized king I always find myself attacking and I have about the same ELO as you. Your point is just wrong. The problem is not the position, it's you not understanding how to handle it. On our modest level it's totally possible to do something about it. So the real question is: do you want to? Or are you going to feel put off every single time you have long term compensation for a pawn, no matter how much?
  

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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #32 - 08/15/17 at 05:48:33
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It's certainly interesting. For what it's worth, in our online thematic tournament (from which I posted a game earlier), the position after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Qh4 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Be2 Qxe4 7.Nb5 Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 Kd8 9.0-0 Nf6 has been reached 11 times, and most of the games look like being draws.
  

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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #31 - 08/14/17 at 17:16:47
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Getting better in chess would solve a lot of my chess problems, indeed Cheesy

But my point was that I started "studying" a sound opening that is being sometimes played at the top level and found myself defending from move 4. As White and while following solid theory. I am just a little disappointed, I guess the opening is not for my tastes.
  
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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #30 - 08/14/17 at 17:11:11
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VGA wrote on 08/14/17 at 15:18:27:
This looks uncomfortable to me for White. It put me off the Scotch.


Are you serious?   Wow, that is NOT something that I'd like to play as Black without serious preparation.  Maybe a GM could defend that, or a correspondence player, but that should whet your appetite if you have the White pieces in an over-the-board game.
  
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Reply #29 - 08/14/17 at 16:22:05
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VGA wrote on 08/14/17 at 15:18:27:
am I missing something?

Yes - you're missing Rudolf Spielmann's The Art of Sacrifice on your bookshelves (or something similar but more modern). Learning how to keep continuous pressure on Black's position, usually resulting in a collapse, is essential for every chessplayer past the absolute beginner stage.
For a change set your computer on ELO 2000 mode and let it take White in this position, you doing the defending. You will quickly be convinced that White's position may not be immediately won, but is full of promising possibilities. Only an excellent and persistent defender may foster realistic hope as Black (so yes, if you have White against GM Lev Gutman, who wrote a book on 4...Qh4, you still will lose).
  

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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #28 - 08/14/17 at 15:18:27
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Hello, this is my first post in this forum.

I recently borrowed the John Emms Starting Out The Scotch book from a friend and did a practice game versus a ~1800 rated engine in Lucas Chess, while taking a looksie in the book for guidance. My rating is about 1700-1800.

I don't remember the game exactly but with the help of Stockfish I recreated it as best I can remember



So I am a pawn down and with a destroyed pawn structure and with some compensation that someone on my level probably cannot capitalise on. Even having the help of excellent/theory moves, and Black just playing natural, easy to find moves in some sideline, having the initiative for quite a while.

This looks uncomfortable to me for White. It put me off the Scotch. Is it just how the cookie crumbles or am I missing something?
  
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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #27 - 06/16/17 at 18:44:42
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Hi.

Jonathan Tait wrote on 06/16/17 at 10:48:41:
Nice analysis. Just one query: in the 17...Kc8 line, what happens after 22...Rxh6 - ?

23.Ne3 planning to take on a8 (or the queen Grin) and then pretend you have the significantly more coordinated position.

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You're not a used car salesman by any chance, are you? Smiley

Nope. The most I've sold is 30-something boxes of cookies for school (very limited success Roll Eyes).

I do genuinely wish almost everyone to have a nice day though.
  
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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #26 - 06/16/17 at 10:48:41
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 06/15/17 at 18:31:15:
Hello.

Against 10...h6 probably 11.Bf3 is most straightforward.

I checked a bit and I can't find a decent looking setup for black; even though there are some dead ends white can stumble upon with less than great play.


Nice analysis. Just one query: in the 17...Kc8 line, what happens after 22...Rxh6 - ?

Confused_by_Theory wrote on 06/15/17 at 18:31:15:
Have a nice day.


You're not a used car salesman by any chance, are you? Smiley
  

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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #25 - 06/15/17 at 18:31:15
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Hello.

Against 10...h6 probably 11.Bf3 is most straightforward.

I checked a bit and I can't find a decent looking setup for black; even though there are some dead ends white can stumble upon with less than great play.



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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #24 - 06/13/17 at 06:25:50
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mn wrote on 06/12/17 at 20:51:16:
So in the first line, what's happening after 12 Bf3 -? 12...Qf5 13 c4 Re8 14 Re1 transposes to Shaw's line, and 12...Qg6 13 c4 Bg4 14 c5!?N followed by cxd6 and Ba3 looks good for White.


Yes, my own engine (Houdini 4) flagged that as a possibility. In response it suggests 14...h5!? 15 cxd6 (15 h3 Qf5, 15 Qb3 Bxf3 16 Qxf3 Qe4) 15...cxd6 16 Ba3 Rc8 17 Bxd6 (17 Qb3 Bxf3 18 Qxf3 Ne4) 17...Nd5 and claims equality, though I can't say I'd be too keen to try and defend it without computer assistance over the board.
  

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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #23 - 06/12/17 at 20:51:16
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So in the first line, what's happening after 12 Bf3 -? 12...Qf5 13 c4 Re8 14 Re1 transposes to Shaw's line, and 12...Qg6 13 c4 Bg4 14 c5!?N followed by cxd6 and Ba3 looks good for White.
  
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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #22 - 06/12/17 at 12:43:18
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Currently playing in a 4...Qh4 thematic tournament at chessworld.net. Eleven of the games reached the critical position after 9...Nf6.

mn wrote on 03/17/17 at 03:23:22:
After 10...Nxd4, he gives one line: 11 cxd4 Re8 12 Bf3 Qf5 13 c4 d6 14 Re1, with some comment about White being better without needing to memorize only-moves.


Here's a just finished game with 10 Nd4:

[Event "Chessworld.net"]
[Date "2017.??.??"]
[White "juliangon"]
[Black "tsmenace"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C45"]
[PlyCount "58"]
[EventDate "2017.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qh4 5. Nc3 Bb4 6. Be2 Qxe4 7. Ndb5 Bxc3+ 8. bxc3 Kd8 9. O-O Nf6 10. Nd4 Nxd4 11. cxd4 d6 12. Bg5 Qf5 13. Bh4 h6 14. Re1 g5 15. Bg3 Re8 16. c4 b6 17. Bf3 Rb8 18. Qb3 Bb7 19. d5 Nd7 20. Re3 Rxe3 21. Qxe3 Ne5 22. Re1 Bc8 23. Be4 Qf6 24. Qc3 Nd7 25. Qd2 Nc5 26. f3 Ba6 27. Bf2 Nxe4 28. Rxe4 Kc8 29. Qd1 Kb7 1/2-1/2

Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/23/17 at 20:47:34:
Hey.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Qh4 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Be2 Qxe4 7.Nb5 Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 Kd8 9.0-0 Nf6 10.Re1 Re8 11.Bg5
Looks absolutely prospectless for black imo and could well be the most practical line.

Have a nice day.


I was going to try that in one game, but my opponent replied to 10 Re1 with 10...h6!?. A few moves further on, I didn't seem to have much of an advantage. Possibly 11 Be3 at once is a better try.

[Event "Chessworld.net"]
[Date "2017.??.??"]
[White "tsmenace"]
[Black "AndyAndyO"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C45"]
[PlyCount "38"]
[EventDate "2017.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qh4 5. Nc3 Bb4 6. Be2 Qxe4 7. Ndb5 Bxc3+ 8. bxc3 Kd8 9. O-O Nf6 10. Re1 h6 11. Rb1 Re8 12. Be3 d6 13. c4 Bd7 14. Nc3 Qe5 15. Qd2 b6 16. Bf3 Qa5 17. Rb5 Qa3 18. Rb3 Qa5 19. Rb5 Qa3 1/2-1/2
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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #21 - 03/23/17 at 20:47:34
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Hey.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Qh4 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Be2 Qxe4 7.Nb5 Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 Kd8 9.0-0 Nf6 10.Re1 Re8 11.Bg5
Looks absolutely prospectless for black imo and could well be the most practical line.

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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #20 - 03/23/17 at 13:23:17
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mn wrote on 03/17/17 at 03:23:22:
After 10...Nxd4, he gives one line: 11 cxd4 Re8 12 Bf3 Qf5 13 c4 d6 14 Re1, with some comment about White being better without needing to memorize only-moves.


Okay, thanks. It is an interesting idea, basically saying to Black: your position is so crap I can virtually give you a extra tempo on 9...a6 lines. Smiley
  

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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
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After 10...Nxd4, he gives one line: 11 cxd4 Re8 12 Bf3 Qf5 13 c4 d6 14 Re1, with some comment about White being better without needing to memorize only-moves.
  
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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
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mn wrote on 03/15/17 at 16:40:55:
Shaw gives 10 Nd4, arguing White is better without needing to know any forced lines.


Compensation certainly; "better" is a bold claim though without concrete lines, given that Black is a pawn up. What does he suggest after 10...Nxd4 11 cxd4 d6 or 11...Re8 - ?
  

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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
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Shaw gives 10 Nd4, arguing White is better without needing to know any forced lines.
  
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Re: Refutation of 4...Qh4 Scotch
Reply #16 - 03/15/17 at 15:17:03
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TN wrote on 12/22/09 at 10:43:28:
Schroeder wrote on 12/22/09 at 05:56:42:
TN wrote on 12/10/09 at 14:29:12:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed4 4.Nd4 Qh4 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Be2 Qe4 7.Ndb5 Bc3 8.bc3 Kd8 9.0-0 Nf6 10.Re1 Re8 11.Be3 and Black is under heavy pressure although White has to play accurately to keep his advantage.


In the line given by TN, 11.-d6 is Black's best answer. Then White has compensation for the pawn, but not more than that. The position should be labelled as unclear. In the 15 games in my database, the results favour Black who scored 57%.


11...d6 12.Rb1 Re7 13.Bf3 Qc4 14.Nd6! +/- gives White a massive attack


Black may be able to defend after 14...cxd6 15 Qxd6+ Bd7!; e.g.
a) 16 Bg5 Rc8 17 Bxf6 gxf6 18 Qxf6 Qc5 19 Rxb7 Qd6 20 Rxe7 (or 20 Qh8+ Re8 21 Rxe8+ Bxe8 unclear) 20...Qxe7 21 Qh8+ Qe8 22 Qf6+ Qe7 =
b) 16 Bxc6 Qxc6 17 Bb6+ axb6 18 Qxe7+ Kc7 19 Qxf7 Qd5 20 Re7 Qxf7 21 Rxf7 Kc6 22 Rxg7 Rxa2 unclear (B.Hjort-R.Zajontz, correspondence 1999)
c) 16 Rxb7 Qxc3 17 Rd1 (A.Niknaddaf-M.Asbahi, Urumia 2008) 17...Rc8 unclear.
  

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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #15 - 03/04/10 at 14:00:53
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Well said; 'and an improvement' are, I think, the operative words! Having foolishly found myself in this the other day by transposition (in a 4 ...Bb4 5 Nc3 Scotch I played ...Qe7 and daftly took the hot e-pawn) I'd say, steer very clear!
  
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HoemberChess wrote on 03/03/10 at 22:20:28:
Hi to all,
A friend has just asked me to try and find something for him that would be of help in preparation for the weekend team match. (4..Qh4 with Black)
Any study in CBM or book etc?


A well-booked White will have Barsky's excellent book by now, which treats this extensively and claims significant advantage for White.  So under no circumstances would I undertake 4...Qh4 against a Scotch specialist unless I had both Barsky's book and an improvement on his analysis in my hot little hand.
  

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Hi to all,
A friend has just asked me to try and find something for him that would be of help in preparation for the weekend team match. (4..Qh4 with Black)
Any study in CBM or book etc?
  

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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #12 - 01/10/10 at 15:00:07
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HTH, you make some very good points.

I have to say, though, that it 'might' be the fault of ...Qh4 if it leads to positions you aren't comfortable playing...

Anyways, though, for awhile I've tried to play ...Q-R5!?, since I utterly detest playing against 1. P-K4 P-K4 2. P-Q4 as Black, and as I like playing the Danish Gambit as White and don't want to have to defend it as Black, I play ...Kt-QB3 and end up in a Scotch... and I don't really like the 'mainline' Scotch. It's funny for a gambiteer like me to dabble in such a 'materialistic' line, so I think the only reason I thought of ...Q-R5!? was because it looked 'interesting'.

Needless to say, most of my opponents mercifully play 2. Kt-KB3, so I can get into my favourite Latvian Gambit lines! LOL...

But yeah, Q-R5!? is probably unsound, but possibly playable, like a lot of what I play!

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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #11 - 12/24/09 at 04:57:27
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MemoryMaster wrote on 12/09/09 at 15:22:51:
The Question is pretty much in the title. Im curious if this variation is playable as a main defence?

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qh4

How does the variation(s) go that is in whites favour?

I am so often taken a back how such questions meet with the same reaction. All over the various areas of this forum a person dears to ask...”Is defence Y or attack Z alright as black or white?”. This sort of question normally elicits the same response. People run off to their libraries and or databases and with some rather false confidence and pride reproduce the rhetoric as exposed by Grandmaster Fred or Bob. The one question that does seem to escape everyone in this case is to ask, what level of chess are you playing to? Are you some FIDE master or Grandmaster so disparately down on your luck and fortune that you need to ask a forum of chess troglodytes for an opinion on whether Qh4 in the Scotch is playable or are you an ordinary chess playing plebe where the chances of anyone you face knowing any of the spouted refutations given by said chess troglodytes is slim to absolutely bugger all ? It is just not as simple as asking if defence X or Y works or not, chess openings are only as good as the person you play them against….If you are one of the ordinary chess playing plebes trying Qh4 against a good player and the said player does not know any of the refutations, as far as the opening is concerned your chances are equal. However I guess if you get pass the opening and lose your way in the middle game and endgame then that can’t be the fault of Qh4….Can it  Undecided
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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #10 - 12/23/09 at 22:45:34
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Gutman only investigates 10...a6.
  

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Reply #9 - 12/23/09 at 21:31:25
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@Markovich

The variations I gave are just a starting point - my intuition tells me that White should be clearly better but my analysis suggests that White can only achieve a slight advantage. In the position after 15.Qa3, I think the computer underestimates White's initiative, but as I can't find a win for White, it's fair to say that White is only somewhat better.

As you stated earlier, even if Black holds with best play, the position is quite difficult for Black in practice and it is relatively easy for White to develop his initiative.

I don't have Gutman's book on this line so it will be interesting to see what he recommends against my suggestions and what his opinion is of this variation.

  

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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
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Fine, but += does not constitute a refutation.  From your words though it sounds like something more.
  

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Re: Refutation of 4...Qh4 Scotch
Reply #7 - 12/22/09 at 10:43:28
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Schroeder wrote on 12/22/09 at 05:56:42:
TN wrote on 12/10/09 at 14:29:12:
I agree that 4...Qh4 is objectively dubious although it can work well against an unprepared opponent.

I believe the 'refutation' is as follows:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed4 4.Nd4 Qh4 5.Nc3 Bb4 (5...Bc5 6.Be3 is very nice for White) 6.Be2 Qe4 (6...Nf6 7.0-0 Bc3 8.Nf5! Qe4 9.Bd3 Qa4 10.bc3 and Black has to play 10...Kf8! to not lose immediately, although this is still clearly better for White) 7.Ndb5 Bc3 (7...Qg2 8.Bf3) 8.bc3 Kd8 9.0-0 Nf6 10.Re1 Re8 11.Be3 and Black is under heavy pressure although White has to play accurately to keep his advantage. Note that 11...a6 fails to 12.Nd6! cd6 13.Bb6 Ke7 14.Bf3.


In the line given by TN, 11.-d6 is Black's best answer. Then White has compensation for the pawn, but not more than that. The position should be labelled as unclear. In the 15 games in my database, the results favour Black who scored 57%.


11...d6 12.Rb1 (12.c4!? Bg4 13.Rb1 += is also promising) 12...Qd5!?N (12...Bd7 13.c4 Ne5 14.c5 Bc6 15.Bf1 +/- is very strong; 12...Re7 13.Bf3 Qc4 14.Nd6! +/- gives White a massive attack) 13.Qc1 a6 14.c4 Qe5 15.Qa3 +=, due to Black's vulnerable king and White's significant lead in development.
  

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Re: Refutation of 4...Qh4 Scotch
Reply #6 - 12/22/09 at 05:56:42
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TN wrote on 12/10/09 at 14:29:12:
I agree that 4...Qh4 is objectively dubious although it can work well against an unprepared opponent.

I believe the 'refutation' is as follows:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed4 4.Nd4 Qh4 5.Nc3 Bb4 (5...Bc5 6.Be3 is very nice for White) 6.Be2 Qe4 (6...Nf6 7.0-0 Bc3 8.Nf5! Qe4 9.Bd3 Qa4 10.bc3 and Black has to play 10...Kf8! to not lose immediately, although this is still clearly better for White) 7.Ndb5 Bc3 (7...Qg2 8.Bf3) 8.bc3 Kd8 9.0-0 Nf6 10.Re1 Re8 11.Be3 and Black is under heavy pressure although White has to play accurately to keep his advantage. Note that 11...a6 fails to 12.Nd6! cd6 13.Bb6 Ke7 14.Bf3.


In the line given by TN, 11.-d6 is Black's best answer. Then White has compensation for the pawn, but not more than that. The position should be labelled as unclear. In the 15 games in my database, the results favour Black who scored 57%.
  
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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
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Thank you, so I wont play this except for in blitz then Sad Looking at the refutation makes it quite obvious.
Seems like a fun line though but perhaps more so for white.
  
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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #4 - 12/10/09 at 16:20:26
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Markovich wrote on 12/10/09 at 16:01:12:
It surprised me that Gutman ever wrote that book, or that anyone bothered to buy it, since 4...Qh4 is so patently dubious. 


Did that ever stop Gutman from writing?! He has an encyclopedic book on the Fajarowicz out too, you know (which I for some reason was crazy enough to buy).

I actually faced Gutman over the board a few years ago and was mildly disappointed to see a tame King's Indian Attack from such an offbeat openings guru, but all the more pleased to eventually secure a draw from a position of strength.
  

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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
Reply #3 - 12/10/09 at 16:01:12
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It surprised me that Gutman ever wrote that book, or that anyone bothered to buy it, since 4...Qh4 is so patently dubious.  But out of curiosity, I myself did purchase a copy, so I suppose the joke is on me.  TN may be right that there is a definite refutation, though it surprises me since I thought that Black was still clinging to life in all the lines at White's disposal.  But I would not recommened ever playing 4...Qh4, since in a practical contest, anyone with any attacking skills at all will simply beat you, and you'll deserve it.
  

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Refutation of 4...Qh4 Scotch
Reply #2 - 12/10/09 at 14:29:12
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MNb wrote on 12/10/09 at 01:25:25:
I own Lev Gutman's 4...Dh4 in der Schottischen Partie. After studying it I have come to the conclusion that the move is dubious.
1) I don't like the lines where White sacs pawn e4, the Black King has to go to d8 and White chases the black Queen around.
2) There are some funny lines where Black sac Rh8 and tries to deliver mate. White can avoid them.

A few examples:
5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Be2 Nf6 7.0-0 Bxc3 8.bxc3 Nxd4 9.cxd4 Nxe4 10.Ba3
5.Nb5 Bc5 6.Qe2 (or 6.Qf3) Nf6 7.Nxc7+ Kd8 8.Nxa8 Nxe4 9.Be3 Re8 is fun, so White avoids it with 7.Be3.

If you want to know more you should try to find Gutman's book.


I agree that 4...Qh4 is objectively dubious although it can work well against an unprepared opponent.

I believe the 'refutation' is as follows:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed4 4.Nd4 Qh4 5.Nc3 Bb4 (5...Bc5 6.Be3 is very nice for White) 6.Be2 Qe4 (6...Nf6 7.0-0 Bc3 8.Nf5! Qe4 9.Bd3 Qa4 10.bc3 and Black has to play 10...Kf8! to not lose immediately, although this is still clearly better for White) 7.Ndb5 Bc3 (7...Qg2 8.Bf3) 8.bc3 Kd8 9.0-0 Nf6 10.Re1 Re8 11.Be3 and Black is under heavy pressure although White has to play accurately to keep his advantage. Note that 11...a6 fails to 12.Nd6! cd6 13.Bb6 Ke7 14.Bf3.
  

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Re: Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
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I own Lev Gutman's 4...Dh4 in der Schottischen Partie. After studying it I have come to the conclusion that the move is dubious.
1) I don't like the lines where White sacs pawn e4, the Black King has to go to d8 and White chases the black Queen around.
2) There are some funny lines where Black sac Rh8 and tries to deliver mate. White can avoid them.

A few examples:
5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Be2 Nf6 7.0-0 Bxc3 8.bxc3 Nxd4 9.cxd4 Nxe4 10.Ba3
5.Nb5 Bc5 6.Qe2 (or 6.Qf3) Nf6 7.Nxc7+ Kd8 8.Nxa8 Nxe4 9.Be3 Re8 is fun, so White avoids it with 7.Be3.

If you want to know more you should try to find Gutman's book.
  

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Is 4... Qh4 Scotch playable, what line favours W?
12/09/09 at 15:22:51
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The Question is pretty much in the title. Im curious if this variation is playable as a main defence?

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qh4

How does the variation(s) go that is in whites favour?
  
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