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Re: KG - The Schlemmer Countergambit / 3...d5
Reply #3 - 11/03/22 at 13:58:35
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Dr. Hans Schlemmer was in the 1950's one of the strongest youth players in Bavaria. He quit chess very early and resumed chess when he was about 50 years old. He reached ELO of 2325 in 1997, when he was already 62 years old
He was a tactical player who played the Kings Gambit himself (line Bc4). with black he played regular the Albin Counter Gambit and the  Jaenisch Gambit.  Only against the Sicilian he played the rare 2. c4.

corres M1449E  Holzvoigh - Schlemmer

1.e4 e5 2. f4 Bc5 3. Nf3 d5 4.Nxe5 dxe4
5.Qh5 Be6 6 Nf7 Bf2+ 7.Kxf2  Bxf7 8.Qe5 Ne7
9. Qxg7 Rg8 10. Qe5 Nd7 11. Qxe4 Nf6 12.Qa4+ ?? c6 and Black wins in move 22

corres 23.DFM/7 Walter - Schlemmer

1.e4 e5 2. f4 Bc5 3. Nf3 d5 4.Nxe5 dxe4
5.Qh5 Be6 6 Nf7 Bf2+ 7.Kxf2 Qd4? 8. Kg3? Bf7
9. Qe5+ Qxe5 10.fxe5 Nc6 11. d3 Nxe5 12. d4? Nc6
draw in move 36

corres 25. DFM/4 Metz- Schlemmer

1.e4 e5 2. f4 Bc5 3. Nf3 d5 4.Nxe5 dxe4
5.Qh5 Be6 6 Nxf7 Bf2+ 7.Kxf2 Bxf7 8. Qe5+ Ne7
9. c3? Nd7 10. Qxe4 Bd5 11. Qc2? 0-0 12. d4 Ng6
13. Kg1 Nxf4 14. Bxf4 Rxf4 15. Na3?  Qf6 and black wins in move 25
  
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Re: KG - The Schlemmer Countergambit / 3...d5
Reply #2 - 03/01/10 at 09:31:51
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MNb wrote on 12/11/09 at 01:18:54:
Have you already made up your mind about 3.Nc3 ? That is what I intended to play as White.


Not really, first because almost everyone plays 3. Nf3 and second, I don't think that line is as critical as the main line with 3. Nf3 d5 for black.

MNb wrote on 12/11/09 at 01:18:54:
6.Qh5 Nxe5 7.Qxe5 Qe7 and the exchange of queens seems to favour Black, who has no problems finding good squares for his/her pieces. But 8.Qxg7 Qh4+ 9.g3 Qf6 10.Bxf7+ Ke7 seems to be good for White indeed. If yes, all KGeers will be gratefull.


I've used this line to great effect so far, but no one has played 6. Qh5. I haven't found anything against it, so I guess its time to look for another anti-KG line before someone trashes me with 6. Qh5.
Any suggestions for something Schlemmer-like, where Black has a sharp counterattack? Or maybe some genius can save this line?
  
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Re: KG - The Schlemmer Countergambit / 3...d5
Reply #1 - 12/11/09 at 01:18:54
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Have you already made up your mind about 3.Nc3 ? That is what I intended to play as White.

6.Qh5 Nxe5 7.Qxe5 Qe7 and the exchange of queens seems to favour Black, who has no problems finding good squares for his/her pieces. But 8.Qxg7 Qh4+ 9.g3 Qf6 10.Bxf7+ Ke7 seems to be good for White indeed. If yes, all KGeers will be gratefull.
  
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KG - The Schlemmer Countergambit / 3...d5
12/10/09 at 09:29:13
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I want to play the Schlemmer (more generally 1.e4 e5 2. f4 Bc5 3. Nf3 d5) against the KG and found this nice resource:
http://hem.passagen.se/tjmisha/theschlemmercounterg.html

Does anyone have experience with this 3...d5 line? What do you think about it and the Schlemmer-line with 5...Be6 ? I'm a club player and think the messy positions will give me good tactical chances, especially since almost nobody will be prepared. But I'm havin problems in one line:

1. e4 e5 2. f4 Bc5 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nxe5 dxe4 5. Bc4
now the above mentioned site recommends 5...Nc6 which indeed looks playable after 6. Nxf7 or 6. Bxf7+. But what about 6. Qh5? It seems to me like black has to allow a queen exchange, and that probably gives white an easy advantage.
Does anyone know a solution to this or any other analysis he wants to share? If there's a refutation of 3...d5 in some tactical mess that white can survive with an advantage then I don't care, but if white can just reach a simple and better position in the way mentioned above then the line is not playable.
  
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