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Re: C40: The Elephant gambit
Reply #27 - 03/31/18 at 13:28:48
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Michael Ayton wrote on 03/30/18 at 07:20:07:
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Does anyone here have access to or know where to buy a (used) copy of Jonathan Rogers' book "Winning With the Elephant Gambit"?

I have it. And what's more, I've found it!


would you be interested in selling it? Send me a pm if so.
  
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Re: C40: The Elephant gambit
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Does anyone here have access to or know where to buy a (used) copy of Jonathan Rogers' book "Winning With the Elephant Gambit"?

I have it. And what's more, I've found it!
  
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Re: C40: The Elephant gambit
Reply #25 - 03/30/18 at 00:27:21
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So now I see someone cited it ooops!
  
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Re: C40: The Elephant gambit
Reply #24 - 03/30/18 at 00:26:52
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There was a fairly large bibliographical work done by Micheal Goeller (sp?) on a website hosted by the Kenilworthian Chess Club. It is still worth a look.
  
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Re: C40: The Elephant gambit
Reply #23 - 03/27/18 at 05:50:55
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This one is not in any database. I was surprised to find that I actually played it in a rated game once. I'm not sure why I did that, it was hardly necessary given my near perfect record with the Philidor, at least against non-masters. For instance, I had three wins in non-rated time-handicap tournament games against Mr. Kessman with the Philidor, two before the Elephant game, and one after.

I have a bunch of blitz games with the Elephant in my personal database, mostly wins, even one against an IM. One player who learned to handle this opening in blitz was John A. Irwin, a USA expert. After "only" breaking even over several consecutive weekends, he burned the midnight oil and busted a major branch. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d5 3.exd5! e4 4.Qe2 Nf6 5.d3 Be7 6.dxe4 O-O 7.Nfd2! (Irwin's TN). His plan was f2-f3, c2-c4, Nb1-c3 and black can't get through the barricade. Sadly I don't have any recorded examples. After a few debacles in this line against John I switched permanently to the 3...Bd6 version.

Sorry I can't help you with the Rogers book. At one time I had the Jensen, Purser, Pape (1988) Elephant Gambit (green cover) as a source. All of it was entertaining, but much of it was theoretically irrelevant, and I don't think Elephant theory has advanced at all since then. It's still great fun in blitz though.
  

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Re: C40: The Elephant gambit
Reply #22 - 03/25/18 at 10:04:57
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Does anyone here have access to or know where to buy a (used) copy of Jonathan Rogers' book "Winning With the Elephant Gambit"?
I am also looking for interesting games with the Elephant gambit that are not in the databases.
  
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Re: C40: The Elephant gambit
Reply #21 - 02/23/17 at 21:33:33
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It can be a real pain in the tusk if one is not used to big game hunting in the opening.
  
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Re: C40: The Elephant gambit
Reply #20 - 02/21/17 at 07:41:30
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The elephant gambit is a great too to have in the chest.
  
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Re: C40: The Elephant gambit
Reply #19 - 08/09/16 at 20:16:10
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I have posted a bibliography on the gambit, which includes links to all of Corbin's games with it, which are a must:
http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2012/12/elephant-gambit-c40-bibliography_12.ht...

I used it in blitz for a while.  As with all wild lines, nobody ever played the book lines against me.  It is totally playable and fun, especially at the amateur level.
  
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Re: C40: The Elephant gambit
Reply #18 - 06/19/16 at 13:19:31
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The Game Julian Hodgson vs JD Turner, for anyone who's curious

  

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Re: The Elephant gambit
Reply #17 - 02/22/11 at 00:29:42
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I love the Elephant Gambit.  The first game in this thread is an example of a brilliant sacrifical attack by Black. 

I want to give another one that's kind of the opposite.  This is Crafty without book, playing itself after the initial moves 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d5 3.exd5 Bd6.  Obviously two strong and evenly-matched players.  Black seems to play patiently a pawn down, and continues the attack late into the endgame. 

4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bb5+ c6 6.dxc6 Nxc6 7.O-O O-O 8.d3 Bg4 9.Bxc6 bxc6 10.Re1 Qc7 11.h3 Bh5 12.Bg5 Nd5 13.Ne4 f5 14.Ng3 Bxf3 15.Qxf3 Rab8 16.c4 Nf4 17.b3 Bb4 18.Red1 Ne6 19.Qh5 Nd4

In watching the game, I felt at this point that White had weakened himself with 16.c4 and Black had some compensation. 

20.Bd2 a5 21.Kh1 Qf7 22.Qxf7+ Kxf7 23.Rac1 Ke6 24.f3 Rfd8 25.Bc3 f4 26.Ne4

Now I was thinking that Black had weakened e5 and traded Queens, so maybe White was better off.  But play continued...

26...Ne2 27.Bxb4 axb4 28.Rc2 Nd4 29.Rf2 Ra8 30.Rb2 Ra7 31.Kg1 Rda8 32.Rdd2 h6

Now it's obvious that Black really does have continuing pressure.  The computer doesn't have a constructive plan in this kind of position, and Black fares better in the aimless play that follows. 

33.Kf2 g6 34.Ke1 g5 35.Kf2 Kf5 36.Kf1 h5 37.Nf2 Rd7 38.Ne4 Rda7 39.Rf2 Rg7 40.Kg1 g4

This looks like it is going to be a big problem.

41.hxg4+ hxg4 42.fxg4+ Rxg4 43.Nd6+ Ke6 44.Ne4 Rh8 45.Rbd2 Rh3 46.Rf1 f3 47.Ra1 fxg2 48.Rxg2 Ne2+ 49.Kf2 Rxg2+ 50.Kxg2 Nf4+ 51.Kf2 Nxd3+ 52.Ke2 Nf4+ 53.Kf2 Kf5

After all that it's a late endgame with equal material.  Black still has an attack, and an unopposed passed pawn. 

54.Nd6+ Kg6 55.Ne4 Ne6

Now White tries to disentangle himself.  In response, the Black King launches a fatal attack. 

56.Rg1+  Kf5 57.Ng3+ Kf4 58.Ne2+ Ke4 59.Ng3+ Kd3 60.Rd1+ Kc3 61.Ne4+ Kb2 62.Rd2+ Ka3 63.Kg2 Rd3 64.Rxd3 Nf4+ 65.Kf3 Nxd3 66.Ke2 Nf4+ 67.Kf3 Ne6 68.Kg4 Kxa2 69.Kf5 Kxb3 70.Kxe6 Kc2 71.Kxe5 b3 and White is busted.

It's not going to be remembered as a contribution to opening theory, but it does make me feel that Black has great practical chances with this opening! 
  
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Re: The Elephant gambit
Reply #16 - 01/11/10 at 22:35:03
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[quote]As this is a theoretical forum and not one for hide & seek it would be very interesting what the experts themselves say. Otherwise, what are we talking about here? [/quote]

Well, this is a good point! I notice meanwhie that a post of mine from years ago mentioned 9 Nc3, in pointing out that ("yes I know") Schiller himself had -- I'd just forgotten about it! Has anyone got any updates on the Schiller busts, then? -- I haven't. Move six yes of course, but I don't see what alternatives Black might have on move seven in S-C ... Am I missing something?
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Re: The Elephant gambit
Reply #15 - 01/09/10 at 20:41:49
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CraigEvans wrote on 01/09/10 at 12:07:01:
Against God, I would demand white and play the BDG, to find out once and for all what the refutation is. I could then die happy.

As for the Elephant... it is far harder for white to prove an advantage against this opening than he may want. My record with both 3...Bd6 and 3...e4 is over 50%, and I have been on the wrong end of a smashing as white against the Elephant, against the creative Welsh player JD Turner, who has turned over some IMs himself in his time. (And, also, mated Hodgson in something like 12 moves as black in a simultaneous, with the crazy but completely unsound 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 e4 4.Ng5 Ng4 - but that's an aside).


Sounds like fun! Can you give us the complete game score?
  
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Re: The Elephant gambit
Reply #14 - 01/09/10 at 13:10:31
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If you read through the article "Filling the chess zoo" in NIC Yearbook 76 (and the following 77) you get the impression that either playing an early c4 or Bb5 is sufficent for a good advantage for White.

As this is a theoretical forum and not one for hide & seek it would be very interesting what the experts themselves say. Otherwise, what are we talking about here?
  
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Re: The Elephant gambit
Reply #13 - 01/09/10 at 12:07:01
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Against God, I would demand white and play the BDG, to find out once and for all what the refutation is. I could then die happy.

As for the Elephant... it is far harder for white to prove an advantage against this opening than he may want. My record with both 3...Bd6 and 3...e4 is over 50%, and I have been on the wrong end of a smashing as white against the Elephant, against the creative Welsh player JD Turner, who has turned over some IMs himself in his time. (And, also, mated Hodgson in something like 12 moves as black in a simultaneous, with the crazy but completely unsound 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 e4 4.Ng5 Ng4 - but that's an aside).
  

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