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Re: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 what to play?
Reply #13 - 01/01/10 at 21:48:22
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Markovich wrote on 01/01/10 at 20:52:22:
lg wrote on 01/01/10 at 20:39:40:
sorry, clicked on "post message" before writing down everything

the game is interesting but I dont think that is the critical version against 5....Nc6


Bogdanov says that 6.0-0 is probably White's best.


Yes, after

6. O-O dxe5 7. Nxe5 Nxe5 8 dxe5 Bf5
Bogdanov recommends 9. c4 Nb6 10 Qb3 with initiative.

This is also recommended by Khalifmann and much more developped

But the analysis by Kolev in the NIC 87 is simply great and apparently he "kills" this line
  
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Re: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 what to play?
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lg wrote on 01/01/10 at 20:39:40:
sorry, clicked on "post message" before writing down everything

the game is interesting but I dont think that is the critical version against 5....Nc6


Bogdanov says that 6.0-0 is probably White's best.
  

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Re: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 what to play?
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sorry, clicked on "post message" before writing down everything

the game is interesting but I dont think that is the critical version against 5....Nc6
  
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Re: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 what to play?
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Re: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 what to play?
Reply #9 - 01/01/10 at 20:14:42
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[Event "ESP-chT Hon Gp1"]
[Site "Cala Mayor"]
[Date "2008.09.05"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Kasimdzhanov, Rustam"]
[Black "Avrukh, Boris"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B05"]
[WhiteElo "2679"]
[BlackElo "2656"]
[PlyCount "82"]
[EventDate "2008.09.03"]
[EventType "team"]
[EventRounds "5"]
[EventCountry "ESP"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2008.10.01"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. exd6 exd6 8.
Nbd2 Be7 9. d5 Nb8 10. Nf1 O-O 11. Ne3 Bxf3 12. Bxf3 Bg5 13. Qc2 a5 14. h4 Bf4
15. Be4 h5 16. g3 Bh6 17. Bd2 Na6 18. O-O Nc5 19. Bg2 g6 20. Rae1 Bg7 21. b3
Nbd7 22. Kh1 Re8 23. Nd1 Rxe1 24. Rxe1 Ne5 25. f4 Ng4 26. f5 Qf6 27. Rf1 Qe5
28. Bf4 Qxf5 29. Qxf5 gxf5 30. Ne3 a4 31. b4 Nd3 32. Nxf5 Nxb4 33. c5 Nxa2 34.
Nxg7 Kxg7 35. cxd6 cxd6 36. Bxd6 Nc3 37. Bb4 Ne2 38. Re1 Nf2+ 39. Kh2 Ng4+ 40.
Kh1 Nf2+ 41. Kh2 Nd3 0-1

I pasted the game from Megabase 2010 (pfcourse it is also in mega2009)
  
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Re: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 what to play?
Reply #8 - 12/31/09 at 16:56:17
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I believe the last posts have been dedicated to the variation 4.Nf3 Bg4 5.Be2 Nc6!?.

When I saw the first reply by Markovich here on this thread I wanted to give my opinion on the several answers to 4. Nf3, but somehow, for other reasons, was not able to, but hopefully will in the future.

However, I would liek to go back to this line since I even mentioned it in the past (perhaps more than 1 year) as feasible. I was not able to find that post which contained a few variations. Unfortunately, now, i would probably fix a ?! to 5...Nc6.

As far as I remember the "good" line for White is
6. O-O and then 6...dxe5 (which was the line I thought nice - any of you has something better?)
7. Nxe5 Nxe5 8 dxe5 Bf5 (which was the move that I thought made this line playable and was recommended in the secong Burguess book).
By the way, in my previous quite old post, I remember
suggesting the (possibly bad) gambit 8....h5 (instead of Bf5).

However, Khalifman is not fond of it and perhaps you should look at NIC yearbook 87 at the game Kolev- Panchenko (which appears the main player of this variation) - by the way this is given in the forum at the beggining of the issue. The game is annotated by Kolev and I dont see any reason to contradict what he says. He simply kills the line.

Amenotatitos - could you please let me know wherei can find the Avrukh game? Thanks
  
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Re: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 what to play?
Reply #7 - 12/31/09 at 15:55:48
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Actually, i think this move was used by Avrukh to beat Kasimdzhanov. I remember sawing this game and then searching for some annotations in the Megabase to figure out what is going on (because Cox is not mentioning this move in his book) and i was dissapointed with Black's chances and i thought that this was used by Avrukh only as a surprize weapon. But we can look at that and maybe revive it! My personal choice always was the Miles by the way, and i don't see anything wrong with that.
  
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Re: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 what to play?
Reply #6 - 12/31/09 at 15:06:30
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Markovich wrote on 12/30/09 at 14:02:15:
Schaakhamster wrote on 12/30/09 at 11:58:13:
So I used to play the Miles a few years ago. But it was  a bit to passive to my liking. So what is viable at present? Alburt, Kengis, 4. ... Bg4?

1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 Bg4 5.Be2 e6 (Old Main Line) 6.c4 Nb6 7.0-0 Be7 8.Nc3 0-0 9.Be3 +=, and White has some other good tries as well.  The rap on 5...e6 is that it may hold, but Black must play long games for only two results against White's better attempts.

4...Nc6 is dicey after Rubinstein's 5.c4 Nb6 6.e6, and White can also opt for 5.exd6 with a slightly improved version of the Exchange Variation.


The Modern has always given me trouble too up until recently.  For the longest time I tried to get confortable with the 4...Nc6 line but after all was said and done I felt my positions were too cramped.  Then I was looking at the old main line and found 4.Nf3 Bg4 5.Be2 Nc6!? in a book from the '90's.  The author only gave it sparse coverage but the more I looked at it the more I thought it was playable.  I analysed what I figured would be the 3 main continuations with Fritz 10 and and black was close to equalizing in all three 6. c4, 6. ed, and 6. e6.  It was particularly nice to have the Bishop out in front in the  6. e6 line.  I think there is room for some original play in these lines.   Oh, and keep in mind that I'm only a USCF "A" player so none of this is solid gold.   
  

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Re: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 what to play?
Reply #5 - 12/31/09 at 08:28:22
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Schaakhamster wrote on 12/30/09 at 18:56:04:
Thanks a lot. I was thinking about the Kengis so I'm happy you consider it viable. As I have only the Davies book, what would you recommend as an additional book? Nothing too advanced as I'm a 1700 player (no worries, I have played 1. e4 e5 regularly the last few years, so something elso wont hurt me Cheesy)

Markovich is right when saying that the Alburt can be difficult to play for black as, up to theory, it might not be the best choice.
Nevertheless I am using it at my level (1800-1900) and have no real problem with it even against players who know what I am playing. White tends to overpush from the opening. I'd you get a very regular scheme: white goes in the attack from move 6, around move 15-20 he sacs (or must sac) something to keep the initiative and after some more moves it is clear that he (white) will have to defend with one or two pawns against a piece, black's pieces are getting active and white gives up around move 40-50.
So, at our low level, it is quite a good weapon.
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 what to play?
Reply #4 - 12/30/09 at 22:46:22
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Markovich wrote on 12/30/09 at 20:58:34:
Cox is good.

If it were on topic, I would strongly advise you to stick with 1...e5, but since it isn't, I won't.


If it were on topic I would say you are probably right. But lets say I got tired of it for now.   
  
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Re: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 what to play?
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Cox is good.

If it were on topic, I would strongly advise you to stick with 1...e5, but since it isn't, I won't.
  

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Re: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 what to play?
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Thanks a lot. I was thinking about the Kengis so I'm happy you consider it viable. As I have only the Davies book, what would you recommend as an additional book? Nothing too advanced as I'm a 1700 player (no worries, I have played 1. e4 e5 regularly the last few years, so something elso wont hurt me Cheesy)
  
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Re: 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 what to play?
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Schaakhamster wrote on 12/30/09 at 11:58:13:
So I used to play the Miles a few years ago. But it was  a bit to passive to my liking. So what is viable at present? Alburt, Kengis, 4. ... Bg4?


I think Kengis' variation  is viable.  I like it more than Miles' variation, though both are Scandinavian-like, because Black retains the option of ...c7-c5 in some lines.  Also Black's minority attack with ...a7-a5 and so forth can sometimes produce a win.  However after 4...dxe5 5.Nxe5 g6 Black has to be prepared both for 6.Qf3 and 6.c4.

You can read the discussions here about Alburt's.  Personally I think it's difficult for Black to play, though recent research by Marin, of all people, suggests that it may be sound in spite of theory's current judgment against it.

1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 Bg4 5.Be2 e6 (Old Main Line) 6.c4 Nb6 7.0-0 Be7 8.Nc3 0-0 9.Be3 +=, and White has some other good tries as well.  The rap on 5...e6 is that it may hold, but Black must play long games for only two results against White's better attempts.

1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 Bg4 5.Be2 c6 (Flohr's) 6.c4! Nb6 7.Nbd2! (another strong try is 7.Ng5 Bf5 8.e6 fxe6 7.g4 Bg6 8.Bd3 but the stronger player will still win there, I opine) 7...Nbd7 8.exd6! exd6 and Black has an Exchange Variation with his b8 knight on the wrong square; it would much rather be on a6.  However Black can probably defend this, and the better player may even yet win.  Since Black otherwise has pretty good play after 5...c6, I remain quite interested in it.

4...Nc6 is dicey after Rubinstein's 5.c4 Nb6 6.e6, and White can also opt for 5.exd6 with a slightly improved version of the Exchange Variation.

4...Nb6 is much more serious than it appears to be.  Black aims to fianchetto without letting White's bishop to c4.  There's a two-part series about it by Ftacnik (am I right that it's Ftacnik?) in recent NIC Yearbooks.  Black clearly takes on a lot of risk, however.

All in all, alternatives to 4...dxe5 aren't terribly pleasant to contemplate.  My current favorite among them is Flohr's.
  

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1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 what to play?
12/30/09 at 11:58:13
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So I used to play the Miles a few years ago. But it was  a bit to passive to my liking. So what is viable at present? Alburt, Kengis, 4. ... Bg4?
  
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