positionalcrush1 wrote on 07/11/12 at 12:17:00:

Yeah, it's a scandal that so many physicists are involved in this conspiracy. And there is more:

http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm

positionalcrush1 wrote on 07/11/12 at 12:17:00:

This 27 km tunnel was too large for Switzerland alone. Much is on French territory. If your theory is right, the confirmation will come on 14th of July. 

I'm skeptical and cynical. The Higgs/Boson is "believed" to have been found on of all dates July 4. Hmmm. Do I smell an attempt to appease US donors to CERN? For it to be anything that could be called sound science the experiment has to be repeated in full twice at a minimum: once with the Swiss tunnel and also with a different tunnel. There is a lot of funding. A lot of kudos. A lot of reasons to stretch the truth to claim false glory. And the way that media hasn't questioned it at all - that sickens me. 

So where are the Higgs Bosons? I answer: in a dark, murky pool of stinking science PR, lies and propaganda 

Saw this joke yesterday:

A Higgs-Boson walks into a church, the priest says "We don't allow Higgs-Bosons in here.". The Higgs-Boson says "But without me how can you have mass?"

So are they about to arrive before the second coming of the great prophet Zarquon   

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/story/2012-07-02/god-particle-evidence-cern...

No worries, MNb, even though we English speakers are a backward lot, the story has been covered in the English-speaking press. And don't worry, the press even did an acceptable job of explaining what a "sigma" is for the vast majority of us who are mathematically challenged.

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110510/full/473136a.html

MNb wrote on 04/26/11 at 03:14:08:

I think if you use the quick search function (top right) it will only look for posts in the last week, better to use the one above (after 'Help') and change the 'This post was made in the last...' option.

*bump*

Aahhh, if only I had a few Higgs bosons available when I was still a student ... my performances at both exams and in bed would have been even better.

I wasn't aware that I was disagreeing with anything that you said.  My main purpose was to call attention to Mach, who understood, or a least believed, that there really is no gap between the philosophy of science and science itself.  Insofar as I understand Mach, I agree with him, and I think it's a shame that the epistomological status of scientific propositions isn't considered more carefully by the people asserting these propositions. 

At least at the undergraduate level, from what I can tell, there is a great deal of confusion between what is data and what is theory. 

MNb wrote on 04/12/10 at 15:00:01:


The great Ernst Mach thought very seriously about these issues, and I find his ideas very attractive.  When I was young I read The Analysis of Sensations with great interest.

Following Mach, you reach the conclusion that the "existence" of an atomic particle, even the if "seen" in a cloud chamber, is not quite the same as that of a table or a chair.  If I understand him correctly, the atomic theory is a complicated circumlocution, whereby assertions that seem to be about particles are in fact assertions, though quite complicated ones, about mundane experience.  We believe that tables exist because we can knock on them and say, "See?  This is a table."  We can't do that with an electron, so the quality of an electron's existence is obviously different.  

Some students of physics that I knew at the time found this line of reasoning preposterous.  They would say things like, "You do not directly experience the table, either, but reflected light etc.."  They were missing the point that what we experience directly of the table, not the collegination of atoms and electrical fields and so forth, of which they suppose the table to consist, is the data.  The rest is but theory.

I noticed that on wikipedia it is asserted that Mach denied the atomic theory.  If he did, he didn't make that plain in The Analysis of Sensations as I recall it.  It was only that he drew an epistomological distinction about it.

Actually in all seriousness, that raises the an interesting epistomological question.  In what sense can a particle that cannot in principle be detected be said to exist?  What would it mean to say that Higgs bosons "exist," if the quoted statement is true?

Markovich wrote on 04/01/10 at 13:06:36:


With each other? Must be a lot of Higg's Bosons involved ...

TN wrote on 04/01/10 at 05:47:52:


Maybe....but the article is likely a mix of facts and fiction. Don't fully trust anything that Chessbase posts online on April 1. 

Bryan, are you channelling Marvin the Android? (From HitchHiker's Guide to the Galaxy)

More evidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOVF0MOoBG4

See what I mean?

Rather don't. Those guys at CERN have to do something to make a living. It's the quest that counts, not the finding. We all should know that since Monty Python and the Holy Grail. And like Antillian said - it's a great comfort knowing that all quests will end in a black hole.

Just like with climate change, who says being sucked into a black hole is a bad thing?  A lot of people are in pain and suffering now, and they probably won't be, inside a black hole.  Also, there will be no more war and much greater equality of income and opportunity.  It could be a little bit like heaven in there. 

Furthermore, since black holes can arise spontaneously due to quantum phenomena, there will be no certain proof that the black hole we're being sucked into is an anthropogenic one.  So in our last moments, we'll be able to console ourselves by speculating that we did not actually cause our own destruction.  In fact I have no doubt that there will be people shouting that, and shouting also that all will be well, until their very last instant.

Don't let anyone scare you anymore.

Markovich wrote on 03/08/10 at 14:11:06:


Haa, I was yet there before, conspiratively of course.
And thank you for calling me a genius. I have to admit, yes you are right and it was highest time that someone posted this groundbreaking truth.
Would you be so kind to acclaim me as world chess champion? It would spare me to boringly work through the whole championship rallye (I could give a knight plus to all these women, har har - where is my scepter?). I would appoint Anand and Carlsen as my court jesters. And Topalov? Well wasn't there his expertise on human toilet-fluctuation in stress situations? May well influence the discussion on climate change, I think. And of course you will be my bosonic arch chancellor.

Markovich wrote on 03/07/10 at 04:10:39:

Perhaps this conspirative bosons hides right in our group of chess addicts under a new and absolutely real first name. I discovered by scientific research (right before sea level rose to the level of my desk) that Higgs plays chess:
"Adam Bozon's Chess Openings - Some home-brewed amateur analysis, mostly of unusual openings. Also includes some interesting statistics on how different openings score at the GM level." (ex http://www.chessopolis.com/openings.htm)
Hope it helps
cheese

Such ignorance.   

The NY Cosmos disbanded decades ago.

I can only say that if this continues, all the threads on this part of the forum will collapse into a singularity, commingling Dutch football, vanishing reef systems, the Detroit Pistons and the U.S. Civil War in a Higgs field of such enormous power that it may suck in the Cosmos itself.  So stop it!  

I don't actually mind the Dutch football thread, which I find vastly more entertaining that reading the eternal fulminations of ignorant autodidacts on subjects about which they know very little.

What? This looks like clear evidence

It is discoverd:

Seeing how popular that CRU thread still is I am closing to wishing it. This leads to a problem almost as urgent as the quest for the Higgs boson: how can we send the trolls back to the 11th dimension, where they belong? According to Tolkien we should expose them to daylight.

Especially that 11th dimension must be relevant, as 11 is the fool's number.

Markovich wrote on 03/03/10 at 16:00:34:


But I question your second hypothesis. I am afraid that, as soon as such a link is established, all the ugly brothers and sisters of those trolls will have immediate access to this forum as well. And that's a risk I don't want to take.

MNb wrote on 02/24/10 at 02:51:13:


I don't know, but I'm hoping that we can now make progress on this fundamental problem of modern physics at least comparable to the contibution we've made, elsewhere in this forum, to worldwide understanding of global warming.  I am only surprised that belaji, with his deep intuition and with all the fruits of his scientific self-education, hasn't seen fit to contribute to our efforts here.  Surely also rdecredico could invent a persona that would tell lies here, sufficiently interesting to stimulate our understanding.

No no no, don't understand me wrong. I seriously keep the option open that your set of opening symbols is a stroke of genius, caused by a raised concentration of bosoms.
I am waiting for your results in the  Champions League. If you happen to win several brilliant games I will be sure: the more bosons the better the intellectual performance.

Because of this thread

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1266527927/0#0

I suspect that the Higgs bosons have had some impact (be it positive or negative) on your brains.

Come on people, we need your votes.  This is much more important than global warming, and even more amenable to opinionating by untrained idiots, as well.

So where are these things?  Your vote is important!  Choose wisely.

MNb wrote on 01/28/10 at 02:38:57:


And in the late 80s Talking Heads were singing about a "Road to Nowhere" - and to go on the road we'd need a car, which brings us to the film "Planes, Trains and Automobiles" which might suggest that there is a plane that goes to nowhere too... And in Rainman (who died recently) there was a mentioning of Quantas which apparently had never crashed, and that seems a good quality for being able to actually go to nowhere. And Quantas is an Australian company, which is famous for Crocodile Dundee - so now the big question is whether those films mentions where to find oneself a boson, or perhaps a bozo to ask directions from? 

But perhaps boson is just bison spelled wrong, which leads us to Yellowstone - but this might just be a red herring...

We need harder science to find the bosons, I propose cryptozoology. Those "AGW alarmists" don't care enough about the Yeti.

Oh when will they leave of with climate change, given that we've already solved it??  It's the Standard Model and its appalling inadequacy to which we must now turn ourselves, O my chess-playing brothers.

Nordwalde doesn't even have a bridge to nowhere.

There is still hope that CERN will find a Higgs boson, well before the next ice age. Here is a report in German on the institute: http://www.spiegel.de/spam/0,1518,566158,00.html

You mean like Schrödinger and his cat? That is actually one of the better hypotheses I have read in the Chit Chat section.

Just noticed that our estimated Herr Buecker looks a lot like Mark Dvoretsky.

Maybe the Bosons have something to do with that.

Markovich wrote on 01/18/10 at 13:10:39:

My first reaction was: s*x. Then I realized that this activity can't take place without these three either.

Smyslov_Fan wrote on 01/17/10 at 04:45:19:


What's the problem?  If you don't like this thread, don't read it, you know?  That's what they said about the global warming thread.  

BPaulsen wrote on 01/17/10 at 04:11:43:


What could possibly be more important than space, time and matter?  Where would chess be without them?  You have your space advantage, you have your time advantage, you have your material advantage!  So the future of chess itself could depend on the whereabouts of the the Higgs bosons.  I rest my case.  

P.S.  I think the thread extolling the Confederacy was slightly more abominable than this one.

I really hate this thread, but I'm not going to delete it unless it breaks forum rules.

I suggest that the chess publicans show restraint and avoid posting in this thread.  Sooner or later, Markovich will tire of his game.  (It may take years, but so be it.)

MNb wrote on 01/16/10 at 20:44:05:


What, am I to play Watson to your Holmes?  But I couldn't have put it better, my dear fellow.

Markovich wrote on 01/15/10 at 13:24:25:


Incredibly difficult to find, aren't they? However, I believe they must be located somewhere near President Barack Obama's list of accomplishments.

Who is Higgs? Only if I know that I can make a suggestion where his bosons are. What, Markovich, haven't you read enough detective novels that you omit something like that?
Elementary.

I used to have a Higgs-Boson particle, but I lost it. If anyone finds it, can they return it to me? Thanks.

Wisdom comes with age