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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #35 - 01/31/10 at 03:57:08
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Keano wrote on 01/31/10 at 01:37:11:
dom - I´d be more worried as white by something like : 8.Qd2 0-0 9.0-0-0 (9.dxc5 is another story but over-all I still think castling kingside is a better idea for White) 9...c4! intending ...b5 and the White king is not a happy camper.


I agree.
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
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dom - I´d be more worried as white by something like : 8.Qd2 0-0 9.0-0-0 (9.dxc5 is another story but over-all I still think castling kingside is a better idea for White) 9...c4! intending ...b5 and the White king is not a happy camper.
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #33 - 01/30/10 at 11:07:18
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F22 wrote on 01/30/10 at 01:45:31:
OstapBender wrote on 01/28/10 at 20:23:35:
Karjakin achieved NOTHING in the opening and soon found himself under tremendous pressure in the middlegame.  I don't believe he was doing well at ANY point in the game.


Did not he have the White pieces? Wink

But on a serious note I think anyone playing the French got a kick out of game!


I don't think plan for White is good when he plays Qd2 and Be2. I think better to play for White:

7...Be7!? 8.Qd2 a6 (8...oo 9.ooo my twin game: Laurain G,Nogueiras, COQ 2003 ; 8...cxd4 9.Nxd4 oo 10.ooo Bb4 11.Nb3 is Nijboer plan...played by Anand after 11...a6 12.Bd3 b5 13.Rhf1) 9.ooo! b5 10.dxc5 Nxc5 11.Qf2    

Advantage of not playing Be2 is this move which relocates queen to e1-h4 diagonal and also ability to play Ne2, for example: 9...c4 10.f5 fxe6 11.fxe6 Ne2 

After Be2, White is driven to play Nd1 at one step, and Qd2 is not for long castle but for plan Nd1-Nf2:

8.Be2 oo 9.Qd2 a6 (Timofeev-Wang Hao,Taiyuan 2006) 10.oo  (10.ooo b5!) b5 (10...f6 is fine too) 11.Nd1 (11.a3 Bb7 Vocaturo-Robson,Wijk aan Zee 2010 )

  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #32 - 01/30/10 at 10:04:08
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linksspringer wrote on 01/29/10 at 23:57:16:
Striking pictures, especially the one of Nils Grandelius!
One French today, A.Muzychuk - Howell, but 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bd3 Bd6 6.Qe2+ Qe7 7.Qxe7 (draw, 53) doesn't tell us much. Does Muzychuk still have a chance for a GM norm?


Muzychuk-L'Ami, Wijk aan Zee 2010 Round 11
Maybe 6...Be7 and Black playing for a win as in Kupchik-Capablanca,NewYork 1915  would be more entertaining ... (my POV)
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #31 - 01/30/10 at 01:45:31
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OstapBender wrote on 01/28/10 at 20:23:35:
Karjakin achieved NOTHING in the opening and soon found himself under tremendous pressure in the middlegame.  I don't believe he was doing well at ANY point in the game.


Did not he have the White pieces? Wink

But on a serious note I think anyone playing the French got a kick out of game!
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #30 - 01/29/10 at 23:57:16
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Striking pictures, especially the one of Nils Grandelius!
One French today, A.Muzychuk - Howell L'Ami, but 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bd3 Bd6 6.Qe2+ Qe7 7.Qxe7 (draw, 53) doesn't tell us much. Does Muzychuk still have a chance for a GM norm?
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #29 - 01/29/10 at 12:04:22
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Wow  Smiley ...I opened this thread only to deal about French games ... but I can't resist. You must look wonderful pictures taken by Frits Agterdenbos and published on chessbase website.  http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6089 ; http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6095 ;
....or directly to ChessVista website: http://www.chessvista.com/ccms.100.ChessVista.home.html
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #28 - 01/28/10 at 22:29:57
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Stigma wrote on 01/28/10 at 17:37:10:
Looks like you're right and the queens were still on. But White can't really avoid the exchange of queens (26.Qxg6+ Kxg6 27.Nf4+; 26.Rf4 Qg5; 26.Nf4 Qxf7 27.Nxg6 Qxg6 28.Qxg6+) without being in serious danger in the middlegame.

So it's a question of semantics whether the endgame is "resulting" or not.



Sometimes, it's not a question of semantics, but of bad writing.  The quote describes the position on the board, not some future when the queens are off.
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #27 - 01/28/10 at 22:27:34
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Dennis Monokroussos and the chesspro annotator seem to agree that by move 18/19, Black was already quite comfortable. 19...h6 was awarded an exclam by the Chesspro annotator while Monokroussos stated that "Black is a little better already". 

The subsequent exchange sacrifice had been in the air for several moves.  What was better for White? 

4.Bg5? Tongue

I certainly liked Black's position after 21.f5. While White could improve on the game, I wonder if we'll see 11.Kh1 again?
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #26 - 01/28/10 at 20:23:35
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linksspringer wrote on 01/28/10 at 15:59:23:
Very strange comment on the Corus website today:
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Carlsen, who faced Russia’s Sergei Karjakin in a French game, got lucky, too. The Russian did well in the opening and had the upper hand until a rash exchange sacrifice around the 30th changed the situation drastically.

Shocked

I absolutely agree.  The quote from the Corus site completely misses the mark.  Karjakin achieved NOTHING in the opening and soon found himself under tremendous pressure in the middlegame.  I don't believe he was doing well at ANY point in the game.  Karjakin's "rash" exchange sacrifice simply brought a quicker finish to a game that was already going badly for him.
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #25 - 01/28/10 at 17:37:10
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Looks like you're right and the queens were still on. But White can't really avoid the exchange of queens (26.Qxg6+ Kxg6 27.Nf4+; 26.Rf4 Qg5; 26.Nf4 Qxf7 27.Nxg6 Qxg6 28.Qxg6+) without being in serious danger in the middlegame.

So it's a question of semantics whether the endgame is "resulting" or not.
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #24 - 01/28/10 at 17:11:18
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I'd call that an endgame also! My mistake I had thought the game was agreed drawn with Queens still on, but that was probably when the corus site went down yesterday. (Chessbase.com also has the incorrect game score) Still the comment on Karjakin-Carlsen is pretty outrageous, and from reading between the lines it seems what he basically does is finds people to ask about the games, so who knows what happened there, everyone else might have gone home and he had to ask the cleaner.
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #23 - 01/28/10 at 17:06:42
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The comment on Karjakin-Carlsen is wrong, but the one on Kramnik-Ivanchuk looks accurate to me, except maybe the attack wasn't all that promising.

Some people call all positions with the queens off an endgame, so RBBn vs RRn+2 could certainly qualify. It's a matter of definition, not of understanding.
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #22 - 01/28/10 at 16:40:21
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Whover did that write-up is coming from another planet - look what they said about Kramnik-Ivanchuk:
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Kramnik surprised Vassili Ivanchuk in an unusual variation of the Queen’s Gambit sacrificing a piece at his 19th for a promising attack. But ‘Chuky’, who played black, found a way out and even held a slight edge in the resulting endgame


resulting endgame  Shocked   Best just to ignore the whole write-up looks like. GM Bauer felt Karjakin mis-handled the opening and that the exchange-sac was desperation trying to salvage something. This makes a lot more sense than the corus write-up. It may not be a chess player at all doing those reports.
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #21 - 01/28/10 at 15:59:23
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Very strange comment on the Corus website today:
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Carlsen, who faced Russia’s Sergei Karjakin in a French game, got lucky, too. The Russian did well in the opening and had the upper hand until a rash exchange sacrifice around the 30th changed the situation drastically.

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