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Re: 7. Be3 line 9...Sc6 dead?
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toppace wrote on 02/12/10 at 19:14:00:
Kylemeister is that the one from everyman?


Ja, det är det.

I'll mention a couple of bits:  their main line with 9...Nc6 is following Gelfand-Bologan, Calvia Olympiad 2004, but with 19...f4 20. g4 Nf7 (unclear according to Bologan).  They think 11...h5 should also lead to unclarity.
  
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Re: 7. Be3 line 9...Sc6 dead?
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[quote author=282B2127460 link=1265988299/6#6 date=1266003398][quote]Michael: i guess if you just copy and paste from informator you are a bad boy. But one could take away one line or add one line or move and say that most of the analysis comes from informator? 
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Sorry -- I was just gently satirising all the dollar signs, that was all![/quote]


no problem!  But the Question is honest, do Victor wants us to talk about his annotations? what do you think?
  
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Re: 7. Be3 line 9...Sc6 dead?
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[quote]Michael: i guess if you just copy and paste from informator you are a bad boy. But one could take away one line or add one line or move and say that most of the analysis comes from informator? 
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Sorry -- I was just gently satirising all the dollar signs, that was all!
  
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VB has only the move 9... g5 in his book. After 10... Nh6 he gives excellent thoughts of 11.exd5 11.h3 and 11.d5

He gives 9...g5 10. Bg3 and now 10...Nc6 as ?!
  
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Michael: i guess if you just copy and paste from informator you are a bad boy. But one could take away one line or add one line or move and say that most of the analysis comes from informator? 

I dont care what is right or wrong actually according to law, but i would really like to know if the author/annotaters in genaral of the game would like to have it published on a well respected chess forum!

Kylemeister is that the one from everyman?
  
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Well, the Panczyk/Iczuk book from last year considers 9...g5 and 9...Nc6 about equally good.
  
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If i am not allowed to publish this analysis here ...


Well, I guess that's the 146 dollar question ...

(Sorry! Cheesy)
  
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Re: 7. Be3 line 9...Sc6 dead?
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Guess i found an answer!
If i am not allowed to publish this analysis here, please let me know or delete parts of it.


[Event "Moscow"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "2006.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Huzman, A."]
[Black "Bologan, V."]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E93"]
[WhiteElo "2570"]
[BlackElo "2660"]
[Annotator "Bologan,V"]
[PlyCount "88"]
[EventDate "2006.??.??"]
[EventType "schev"]
[EventRounds "8"]
[EventCountry "RUS"]
[Source "Sahovski Beogra"]
[SourceDate "2006.01.01"]

{96/424} 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. Be3 Ng4
8. Bg5 f6 9. Bh4 g5 10. Bg3 Nh6 11. d5 Nd7 12. Nd2 f5 13. f3 Nf6 14. h3 (14.
Qc2 {Ü 61/655}) 14... fxe4 15. Ndxe4 Nf5 16. Bf2 Nxe4 $5 $146 (16... Nh4) 17.
Nxe4 (17. fxe4 Nd4 18. Bh5 $5 g4 $1 19. hxg4 Qg5 20. Qc1 Bh6 21. Qxg5+ Bxg5 22.
Bxd4 exd4 23. Nb5 Bd7 24. Nxc7 Rac8 $13) 17... c5 18. Qd2 $6 (18. dxc6 $1 bxc6
19. Qd2 d5 20. cxd5 cxd5 21. Nc5 (21. Nxg5 h6) (21. O-O-O Nd4) 21... Nd4 22.
Bxd4 exd4 $13) 18... h6 19. O-O-O (19. O-O Nd4 $15) 19... a6 (19... b5 $5 20.
cxb5 a6 (20... Nd4 21. h4 g4 22. Bxd4 exd4 23. fxg4) 21. bxa6 (21. b6 Rb8 22.
Kb1 Qxb6 23. h4 gxh4) 21... Bxa6 22. Bxa6 Rxa6 23. Kb1 Qa8 24. Nc3 Rb8) 20. g4
(20. Kb1 Nd4 21. h4 Nxe2 22. Qxe2 g4 23. fxg4 Rf4 24. Bg3 Bxg4 25. Qd3 Rf8)
20... Nh4 21. Bxh4 gxh4 22. Bd3 (22. g5 Rf4 23. Rdg1 Kf7 24. Kb1 Bf5 25. Bd3
Qd7) 22... Rf4 $1 $15 (22... Rxf3 $2 23. Rdf1 Rxf1+ 24. Rxf1 $16) 23. Kb1 Rb8
24. Qe2 Qe7 25. a3 Bd7 26. Ka2 b5 27. b3 Kh8 28. Rb1 Be8 29. Rhd1 (29. Nc3 $5
Qf8 30. Be4 Bf6 $15) 29... Qd8 {[/\ Qa5]} 30. Rb2 Qd7 $1 {[/\ Bf7-g8, a5-a4]}
31. Rdb1 Bf7 32. b4 $6 (32. Qd1 a5 33. a4 bxa4 34. bxa4 Rb4 35. Rxb4 cxb4 36.
Kb3 $17) (32. Nf2 a5 33. Bf5 (33. cxb5 Bxd5) 33... Qc7 34. Nd3 Rd4) 32... cxb4
33. Rxb4 Rf8 $17 34. R4b3 (34. Nc3 e4 35. Nxe4 Qe7) 34... Bg8 35. Rf1 Qc7 36.
Rc3 (36. Rbb1 bxc4 37. Bxc4 Rxf3 38. Rxf3 Rxf3 39. Qxf3 Qxc4+ 40. Kb2 Bxd5 $19)
36... Qb6 37. Bb1 (37. Rcc1) 37... Qa5 (37... bxc4 38. Qxc4 Qd4 $19) 38. Rfc1
bxc4 39. Nxd6 e4 $1 $19 40. Nxc4 exf3 (40... Bxd5 41. Bxe4 Bxc3 42. Bxd5 Qxd5
43. Rxc3 Rc8) 41. Rxf3 Qxd5 42. Rxf4 Rxf4 43. Bd3 Rd4 (43... Qd4) 44. Rd1 (44.
Rc3 Rxd3 45. Rxd3 Qxc4+ 46. Kb1 Qxd3+ 47. Qxd3 Bh7) 44... Qb5 0-1

  
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1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. Be3 Ng4 8. Bg5 f6 9. Bh4 Nc6 10. d5 Ne7 11. Nd2 *

Hi!

I thought this was mainline but according to my chessbase the last score in this line is 6-0 to white and no blackplayer has played this since 2004.  Shocked

Is 9...g5 and 10....Nh6 better?

  
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