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Re: Birds opening lines for black
Reply #7 - 02/18/10 at 20:43:38
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Maybe we can get this moved to "Flank Openings"...but there is a lot of info on 1.f4 in that section...
  
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Re: Birds opening lines for black
Reply #6 - 02/18/10 at 18:33:35
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BirdBrain wrote on 02/18/10 at 15:57:26:
I don't know why this is in the French section...


Agreed.
  
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Re: Birds opening lines for black
Reply #5 - 02/18/10 at 16:08:01
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thanks for your help on opening ideas Bird Brain.
  
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Re: Birds opening lines for black
Reply #4 - 02/18/10 at 15:59:48
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That is a good, solid choice for Black...with ...c6, you are temporarily fighting for control of d5, which helps neutralize the king bishop at g2 (in case they play the Polar Bear).  But you won't get as aggressive of a pawn storm on the queenside as you will with ...d5/...c5 setups.  If you want the pawn storm, remember that your queen rook will probably go to b8.
  
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Re: Birds opening lines for black
Reply #3 - 02/18/10 at 15:57:26
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I don't know why this is in the French section, but there are various ways to meet the Bird.  Plus, it depends on what kind of Bird you are talking about.  There are e3 setups, g3 setups, etc...so it depends.  The above mentioned setup is kind of a "universal" way to develop against the Bird, but it will also be a setup that most Bird players are most familiar with, and therefore they understand it very well.  So my suggestion, if you like that, try it.  If you like tactics, study a bit on From's Gambit, 1...e5!? (note - some 1. f4 players will play 2. e4, the King's Gambit, at this point, so be ready).  If you prefer the Sicilian, just play 1...c5 and develop along your normal routes.

If you want to prevent (or fight) against the early queen fianchetto, then 1...g6 is the way to go. 

To answer this question better, it is good to know what kind of setups you like to play for.  I also like some of the ...c6 lines for Black against the Bird - not as aggressive, but definitely playable.
  
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Re: Birds opening lines for black
Reply #2 - 02/18/10 at 15:55:24
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thanks for that. what anyybodys view on this line? for black d5 Nf6 g6 Bg7 0-0 c6 Bg4 Nbd7 a5 .
  
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Re: Birds opening lines for black
Reply #1 - 02/18/10 at 15:31:02
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Playing in the way White classically does against the Dutch, with moves such as ...d5, Nf6, g6, Bg7, 0-0, c5 and Nc6, is quite normal and good.
  
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Birds opening lines for black
02/18/10 at 15:20:58
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can anyone tell me one the best lines for Blacks vs the birds 1.f4 .
  
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