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Re: Approaching the Bird
Reply #9 - 02/24/10 at 09:57:19
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MNb wrote on 02/24/10 at 02:45:15:
René wrote on 02/23/10 at 07:27:45:
Versus 1. d4 I usually play some kind of English Defence/Dutch hybrid.


Well, 1.f4 b6 should be possible!

Well, after reading the various threads on the Bird I guess any black first move should be possible Smiley
The most important issue will then probably be to make a consistent plan. Most likely a choice between making the Neo-From work (including possible transpos to the Kings Gambit) or a more solid reply, as suggested by TN or Palliser in BUCO.
  
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Re: Approaching the Bird
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René wrote on 02/23/10 at 07:27:45:
Versus 1. d4 I usually play some kind of English Defence/Dutch hybrid.


Well, 1.f4 b6 should be possible!
  

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Re: Approaching the Bird
Reply #7 - 02/23/10 at 09:59:09
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There are many threads on the Bird (and anti-Bird) in this forum, including discussions on the From and 2...Nc6. Try googling.  Wink
  
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Re: Approaching the Bird
Reply #6 - 02/23/10 at 07:29:10
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TN wrote on 02/23/10 at 04:44:55:
I already mentioned this on another thread, but I think that 1...d5 2.Nf3 g6 3.e3/g3 Bg7 4.Be2/Bg2 Nh6 5.0-0 c6 6.d3 0-0 7.Qe1 or some other non-committal move 7...Nd7 8.Knight move and now e5, Qb6, Nf5(f7) and possibly ...Re8 in some order is an effective Anti-Bird weapon. I have used this weapon myself, gaining an advantage in each game I have tried it.

Thanks, I'll have a look at that. It doesn't really answer my specific question, but since I'm looking just for a good line against the Bird this may come in handy.
  
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Re: Approaching the Bird
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MNb wrote on 02/22/10 at 21:34:25:
What other openings do you play as Black? If the Sicilian then 1.f4 c5. If the KID then 1.f4 g6.

lol, no real help here I guess. Versus 1. d4 I usually play some kind of English Defence/Dutch hybrid, against 1. e4 mostly Alekhine's Defence, but also Philidor. I noticed a transposition possibility after 1. f4 d6; 2. Nf3 e5, this gives white some options but can easily transpose in a normale From's.
  
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Re: Approaching the Bird
Reply #4 - 02/23/10 at 04:44:55
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I already mentioned this on another thread, but I think that 1...d5 2.Nf3 g6 3.e3/g3 Bg7 4.Be2/Bg2 Nh6 5.0-0 c6 6.d3 0-0 7.Qe1 or some other non-committal move 7...Nd7 8.Knight move and now e5, Qb6, Nf5(f7) and possibly ...Re8 in some order is an effective Anti-Bird weapon. I have used this weapon myself, gaining an advantage in each game I have tried it.
  

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Re: Approaching the Bird
Reply #3 - 02/23/10 at 02:55:08
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Bibs wrote on 02/22/10 at 23:51:44:
Have a decent chat up line ready.

I think 4 h3 might be good. if 4 ...d6 then 5 e4. Allowing Black to get back the pawn, White plays Bc4 and Nc3 etc. Then you have a kind of King's Gambit Declined where White has played h3  and Black g5. Both moves are 'out of place' but I think g5 hurts Black more.
  
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Re: Approaching the Bird
Reply #1 - 02/22/10 at 21:34:25
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What other openings do you play as Black? If the Sicilian then 1.f4 c5. If the KID then 1.f4 g6.
  

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Approaching the Bird
02/22/10 at 21:14:50
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Hi all,

In a few weeks I have to play an important game with black against a strong player (dutch rating app. 2150) who seems to play 1. f4. It's a sort of must-win situation and as I fear he is more patient than I, I'm thinking about playing From's gambit, but with 2. ..-Nc6. Chesspub regards this as a good move and databases seem to show nothing convincing for white (perhaps 3. Nf3-g5; 4. g3-g4; 5. Nh4, but gambiting with ..-d6 seems promising.
Am I missing something or is there a very obvious reason why 2. ..-Nc6 isn't played more often?
Any other good off-beat tries?

  
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